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From: Bruce D. Scott on 6 Jun 2010 18:07
MH (MHnospam(a)ucalgary.ca) wrote:

: The Czechs were ranked no 2 in the world in the 2006 May FIFA rankings.
: Ghana had never won a WC match, though they had a decent tradition at
: junior level and ANC.

As I said, very very deceptive. The Czechs were not nearly as good as
in 2004, which is where a lot of their rating came from.

Ghana were and are better than these metrics suggest... they are tough
in Africa and play mostly only other African teams. So the ratings are
lower than usual. For example, look how high the US were/are rated.
Ghana were definitely no worse than we were.

--
ciao,
Bruce

drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
From: higgs on 6 Jun 2010 19:34
On Jun 6, 11:49 pm, "Paul C" <p...(a)thersgb.net> wrote:
> "higgs" <kenhig...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7380350f-b293-4dbd-80c4-faa4934591ef(a)34g2000prs.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 6, 5:39 pm, "Paul C" <p...(a)thersgb.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "higgs" <kenhig...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:b05c7ec9-1afa-4489-af41-429f9e3cd52d(a)n37g2000prc.googlegroups.com....
> > On Jun 6, 12:12 am, "Paul C" <p...(a)thersgb.net> wrote:
>
> > > "higgs" <kenhig...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >With that sort of an atitude, no wonder Scotland rarely feature in
> > >World Cups.......
>
> > Scotland has featured multiple times in the World Cup, including occasions
> > when the mighty England with x10 Scotland's footballing resources failed
> > to
> > make it.
> >Indeed, Scotland has featured in 8 of the 19 World Cups, sadly never
> >making it past the 1st round.
> >The last time Scotland qualified for the WC was 1998 (Coincidentally,
> >England were there too).
> >So, Scotland appear infrequently in WCs.
>
> I think the word you used was "rarely". Qualifying 9 times and participating
> 8 times in 16 competitions doesn't make qualifying a rare event.
>

I'll repost my initial comment, in full, for the third time:

"Yet another WC where the only Scotish representation was via a 3rd
party"

Do you think you'll get it this time, or would you like me to repost
it again tomorrow?



From: HASM on 7 Jun 2010 21:35
MH <MHnospam(a)ucalgary.ca> writes:

> The USA beating England at this WC would not, in my view, be among the
> biggest world cup upsets of all time. Probably not even top 5, possibly
> not even top 10.
>
> In no particular order (except chronological), here are some that were
> possibly bigger:

Well, why not go to the source
http://www.eloratings.net/Upsets.htm
To get the biggest upsets in terms of larger
exchange of ELO ranking points?

1958 Czechoslovakia 6-1 Argentina 85
2006 Ghana 2-0 Czechia 81
1998 Croatia 3-0 Germany 78
1954 Switzerland 4-1 Italy 73
1962 Mexico 3-1 Czechoslovakia 70
1994 Bulgaria 2-0 Argentina 68
1978 Peru 3-1 Scotland 66
2002 Poland 3-1 United States 66
1950 United States 1-0 England 56
1982 Algeria 2-1 West Germany 56
2002 Senegal 1-0 France 53
1950 Brazil 1-2 Uruguay 52
1998 Nigeria 3-2 Spain 52
1934 Sweden 3-2 Argentina 51
1958 Wales 2-1 Hungary 50
1974 West Germany 0-1 East Germany 50
1990 Cameroon 2-1 Romania 50
1930 Yugoslavia 2-1 Brazil 49
1966 North Korea 1-0 Italy 49
1982 Italy 3-2 Brazil 49
1990 Costa Rica 2-1 Sweden 49
1982 Spain 0-1 Northern Ireland 48
1934 Germany 3-2 Austria 47
1978 Scotland 3-2 Netherlands 47
1978 Austria 3-2 West Germany 47
1990 Scotland 2-1 Sweden 47
1998 Norway 2-1 Brazil 47
1958 Northern Ireland 2-1 Czechoslovakia 46
1990 Argentina 1-0 Brazil 46
1958 Northern Ireland 1-0 Czechoslovakia 45
1986 Belgium 4-3 Soviet Union 45
1994 Bulgaria 2-1 Germany 45
2002 Ecuador 1-0 Croatia 45
2002 Japan 0-1 Turkey 45
1954 Switzerland 2-1 Italy 44
1954 West Germany 3-2 Hungary 44
1962 Chile 2-1 Soviet Union 44
1986 Portugal 1-0 England 44
1990 Argentina 0-1 Cameroon 44
1994 Saudi Arabia 1-0 Belgium 44
2002 Croatia 2-1 Italy 44


Three games from your list didn't make it.
This should have (emailed Kirill):
1986 Morocco 3-1 Portugal 61
These two missed the cut:
1990 Costa Rica 1-0 Scotland 43
2002 USA 3-2 Portugal 43

-- HASM
From: William Clark on 7 Jun 2010 22:10
In article <m3631uqpap.fsf(a)127.0.0.1>, HASM <netnews(a)invalid.com>
wrote:

> MH <MHnospam(a)ucalgary.ca> writes:
>
> > The USA beating England at this WC would not, in my view, be among the
> > biggest world cup upsets of all time. Probably not even top 5, possibly
> > not even top 10.
> >
> > In no particular order (except chronological), here are some that were
> > possibly bigger:
>
> Well, why not go to the source
> http://www.eloratings.net/Upsets.htm
> To get the biggest upsets in terms of larger
> exchange of ELO ranking points?
>
> 1958 Czechoslovakia 6-1 Argentina 85
> 2006 Ghana 2-0 Czechia 81
> 1998 Croatia 3-0 Germany 78
> 1954 Switzerland 4-1 Italy 73
> 1962 Mexico 3-1 Czechoslovakia 70
> 1994 Bulgaria 2-0 Argentina 68
> 1978 Peru 3-1 Scotland 66
> 2002 Poland 3-1 United States 66
> 1950 United States 1-0 England 56
> 1982 Algeria 2-1 West Germany 56
> 2002 Senegal 1-0 France 53
> 1950 Brazil 1-2 Uruguay 52
> 1998 Nigeria 3-2 Spain 52
> 1934 Sweden 3-2 Argentina 51
> 1958 Wales 2-1 Hungary 50
> 1974 West Germany 0-1 East Germany 50
> 1990 Cameroon 2-1 Romania 50
> 1930 Yugoslavia 2-1 Brazil 49
> 1966 North Korea 1-0 Italy 49
> 1982 Italy 3-2 Brazil 49
> 1990 Costa Rica 2-1 Sweden 49
> 1982 Spain 0-1 Northern Ireland 48
> 1934 Germany 3-2 Austria 47
> 1978 Scotland 3-2 Netherlands 47
> 1978 Austria 3-2 West Germany 47
> 1990 Scotland 2-1 Sweden 47
> 1998 Norway 2-1 Brazil 47
> 1958 Northern Ireland 2-1 Czechoslovakia 46
> 1990 Argentina 1-0 Brazil 46
> 1958 Northern Ireland 1-0 Czechoslovakia 45
> 1986 Belgium 4-3 Soviet Union 45
> 1994 Bulgaria 2-1 Germany 45
> 2002 Ecuador 1-0 Croatia 45
> 2002 Japan 0-1 Turkey 45
> 1954 Switzerland 2-1 Italy 44
> 1954 West Germany 3-2 Hungary 44
> 1962 Chile 2-1 Soviet Union 44
> 1986 Portugal 1-0 England 44
> 1990 Argentina 0-1 Cameroon 44
> 1994 Saudi Arabia 1-0 Belgium 44
> 2002 Croatia 2-1 Italy 44
>
>
> Three games from your list didn't make it.
> This should have (emailed Kirill):
> 1986 Morocco 3-1 Portugal 61
> These two missed the cut:
> 1990 Costa Rica 1-0 Scotland 43
> 2002 USA 3-2 Portugal 43
>
> -- HASM

England right now are beatable by Accrington Stanley Ladies 2nd XI. Big
deal.
From: Jellore on 8 Jun 2010 00:53
On Jun 8, 12:10 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com>
wrote:
> In article <m3631uqpap....(a)127.0.0.1>, HASM <netn...(a)invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > MH <MHnos...(a)ucalgary.ca> writes:
>
> > > The USA beating England at this WC would not, in my view, be among the
> > > biggest world cup upsets of all time.  Probably not even top 5, possibly
> > > not even top 10.
>
> > > In no particular order (except chronological), here are some that were
> > > possibly bigger:
>
> > Well, why not go to the source
> >  http://www.eloratings.net/Upsets.htm
> > To get the biggest upsets in terms of larger
> > exchange of ELO ranking points?
>
> > 1958 Czechoslovakia   6-1 Argentina         85
> > 2006 Ghana            2-0 Czechia           81
> > 1998 Croatia          3-0 Germany           78
> > 1954 Switzerland      4-1 Italy             73
> > 1962 Mexico           3-1 Czechoslovakia    70
> > 1994 Bulgaria         2-0 Argentina         68
> > 1978 Peru             3-1 Scotland          66
> > 2002 Poland           3-1 United States     66
> > 1950 United States    1-0 England           56
> > 1982 Algeria          2-1 West Germany      56
> > 2002 Senegal          1-0 France            53
> > 1950 Brazil           1-2 Uruguay           52
> > 1998 Nigeria          3-2 Spain             52
> > 1934 Sweden           3-2 Argentina         51
> > 1958 Wales            2-1 Hungary           50
> > 1974 West Germany     0-1 East Germany      50
> > 1990 Cameroon         2-1 Romania           50
> > 1930 Yugoslavia       2-1 Brazil            49
> > 1966 North Korea      1-0 Italy             49
> > 1982 Italy            3-2 Brazil            49
> > 1990 Costa Rica       2-1 Sweden            49
> > 1982 Spain            0-1 Northern Ireland  48
> > 1934 Germany          3-2 Austria           47
> > 1978 Scotland         3-2 Netherlands       47
> > 1978 Austria          3-2 West Germany      47
> > 1990 Scotland         2-1 Sweden            47
> > 1998 Norway           2-1 Brazil            47
> > 1958 Northern Ireland 2-1 Czechoslovakia    46
> > 1990 Argentina        1-0 Brazil            46
> > 1958 Northern Ireland 1-0 Czechoslovakia    45
> > 1986 Belgium          4-3 Soviet Union      45
> > 1994 Bulgaria         2-1 Germany           45
> > 2002 Ecuador          1-0 Croatia           45
> > 2002 Japan            0-1 Turkey            45
> > 1954 Switzerland      2-1 Italy             44
> > 1954 West Germany     3-2 Hungary           44
> > 1962 Chile            2-1 Soviet Union      44
> > 1986 Portugal         1-0 England           44
> > 1990 Argentina        0-1 Cameroon          44
> > 1994 Saudi Arabia     1-0 Belgium           44
> > 2002 Croatia          2-1 Italy             44
>
> > Three games from your list didn't make it.
> > This should have (emailed Kirill):
> > 1986 Morocco    3-1 Portugal  61
> > These two missed the cut:
> > 1990 Costa Rica 1-0 Scotland  43
> > 2002 USA        3-2 Portugal  43
>
> > -- HASM
>
> England right now are beatable by Accrington Stanley Ladies 2nd XI. Big
> deal.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Glad to see you are being factual about this one. England have been
beaten in one single competitive match in 2 years, and even that one
was a dead rubber of sorts.
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