From: higgs on 8 Jun 2010 03:21 On Jun 8, 11:35 am, HASM <netn...(a)invalid.com> wrote: > MH <MHnos...(a)ucalgary.ca> writes: > > The USA beating England at this WC would not, in my view, be among the > > biggest world cup upsets of all time. Probably not even top 5, possibly > > not even top 10. > > > In no particular order (except chronological), here are some that were > > possibly bigger: > > Well, why not go to the source > http://www.eloratings.net/Upsets.htm > To get the biggest upsets in terms of larger > exchange of ELO ranking points? > > 1958 Czechoslovakia 6-1 Argentina 85 > 2006 Ghana 2-0 Czechia 81 > 1998 Croatia 3-0 Germany 78 > 1954 Switzerland 4-1 Italy 73 > 1962 Mexico 3-1 Czechoslovakia 70 > 1994 Bulgaria 2-0 Argentina 68 > 1978 Peru 3-1 Scotland 66 > 2002 Poland 3-1 United States 66 > 1950 United States 1-0 England 56 > 1982 Algeria 2-1 West Germany 56 > 2002 Senegal 1-0 France 53 > 1950 Brazil 1-2 Uruguay 52 > 1998 Nigeria 3-2 Spain 52 > 1934 Sweden 3-2 Argentina 51 > 1958 Wales 2-1 Hungary 50 > 1974 West Germany 0-1 East Germany 50 > 1990 Cameroon 2-1 Romania 50 > 1930 Yugoslavia 2-1 Brazil 49 > 1966 North Korea 1-0 Italy 49 > 1982 Italy 3-2 Brazil 49 > 1990 Costa Rica 2-1 Sweden 49 > 1982 Spain 0-1 Northern Ireland 48 > 1934 Germany 3-2 Austria 47 > 1978 Scotland 3-2 Netherlands 47 > 1978 Austria 3-2 West Germany 47 > 1990 Scotland 2-1 Sweden 47 > 1998 Norway 2-1 Brazil 47 > 1958 Northern Ireland 2-1 Czechoslovakia 46 > 1990 Argentina 1-0 Brazil 46 > 1958 Northern Ireland 1-0 Czechoslovakia 45 > 1986 Belgium 4-3 Soviet Union 45 > 1994 Bulgaria 2-1 Germany 45 > 2002 Ecuador 1-0 Croatia 45 > 2002 Japan 0-1 Turkey 45 > 1954 Switzerland 2-1 Italy 44 > 1954 West Germany 3-2 Hungary 44 > 1962 Chile 2-1 Soviet Union 44 > 1986 Portugal 1-0 England 44 > 1990 Argentina 0-1 Cameroon 44 > 1994 Saudi Arabia 1-0 Belgium 44 > 2002 Croatia 2-1 Italy 44 > > Three games from your list didn't make it. > This should have (emailed Kirill): > 1986 Morocco 3-1 Portugal 61 > These two missed the cut: > 1990 Costa Rica 1-0 Scotland 43 > 2002 USA 3-2 Portugal 43 > > -- HASM I know they were actually draws, but how about: Scotland v Faroe Isles 05/06/1999 Euro 2000 Qualifiers 1-1 07/09/2002 Euro 2004 Qualifiers 2-2 I don't know what the difference in ranking points actually was, but I'd be surprised if the Faroes weren't at least 50 above Scotland at that time I know several Faroe Islanders who still cringe with embarrassment at their failure to secure victory in those two games....
From: bart on 8 Jun 2010 04:25 yes
From: HASM on 8 Jun 2010 09:35 higgs <kenhiggs8(a)hotmail.com> writes: > I know they were actually draws, but how about: And a bit out of the original scope about World Cup games. > I don't know what the difference in ranking points actually was, but I'd > be surprised if the Faroes weren't at least 50 above Scotland at that > time Upsets were not ranked by the difference in ranking points, but by the number of points exchanged, which is a measure of the unexpectedness of the result. > 05/06/1999 Euro 2000 Qualifiers 1-1 17 points exchanged > 07/09/2002 Euro 2004 Qualifiers 2-2 15 points exchanged. -- HASM
From: higgs on 8 Jun 2010 19:17 On Jun 8, 11:35 pm, HASM <netn...(a)invalid.com> wrote: > higgs <kenhig...(a)hotmail.com> writes: > > I know they were actually draws, but how about: > > And a bit out of the original scope about World Cup games. > > > I don't know what the difference in ranking points actually was, but I'd > > be surprised if the Faroes weren't at least 50 above Scotland at that > > time > > Upsets were not ranked by the difference in ranking points, but by the > number of points exchanged, which is a measure of the unexpectedness of the > result. > > > 05/06/1999 Euro 2000 Qualifiers 1-1 > > 17 points exchanged > > > 07/09/2002 Euro 2004 Qualifiers 2-2 > > 15 points exchanged. > > -- HASM Whhooooosshh..............
From: Nige on 8 Jun 2010 20:51
On Jun 4, 1:35 pm, Real Mardin <real_mar...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > On Jun 4, 2:22 pm, gsn <gsnaraya...(a)ymail.com> wrote: > > > England could not score against Japan. > > Ok, but then the US couldn't defend against non qualifiers Turkey (who > could have been 3-0 up within about 20 minutes), so where does that > leave us? > > > So it looks like it is possible to beat England (or atleast split > > points)? > > Anything is possible, knowing the way England sometimes stutter in the > group stage perhaps a draw is the more likely result? > > RM We stutter but the Yanks sputter! Nige |