England beatable by US?
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From: higgs on 9 Jun 2010 08:18 On Jun 9, 10:51 am, Nige <nigefoo...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > On Jun 4, 1:35 pm, Real Mardin <real_mar...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > On Jun 4, 2:22 pm, gsn <gsnaraya...(a)ymail.com> wrote: > > > > England could not score against Japan. > > > Ok, but then the US couldn't defend against non qualifiers Turkey (who > > could have been 3-0 up within about 20 minutes), so where does that > > leave us? > > > > So it looks like it is possible to beat England (or atleast split > > > points)? > > > Anything is possible, knowing the way England sometimes stutter in the > > group stage perhaps a draw is the more likely result? > > > RM > > We stutter but the Yanks sputter! > > Nige Is that the Royal We or 'we' as in Italy (for your SMT sock), Spain (for your 3tenor sock) or England (for your Nige sock)? Anyway, welcome back. Or did you never leave?
From: MH on 9 Jun 2010 11:30 HASM wrote: > MH <MHnospam(a)ucalgary.ca> writes: > >> The USA beating England at this WC would not, in my view, be among the >> biggest world cup upsets of all time. Probably not even top 5, possibly >> not even top 10. >> >> In no particular order (except chronological), here are some that were >> possibly bigger: > > Well, why not go to the source > http://www.eloratings.net/Upsets.htm > To get the biggest upsets in terms of larger > exchange of ELO ranking points? > > 1958 Czechoslovakia 6-1 Argentina 85 > 2006 Ghana 2-0 Czechia 81 I rest my case! People were treating this as my most suspect choice. > 1998 Croatia 3-0 Germany 78 Surprised this one is that high. I didn't rate it as much of an upset as Croatia had established themselves as top 10 in Europe in Euro 2006, and had given Germany some problems in that tournament. > 1954 Switzerland 4-1 Italy 73 Home team, I didn't consider any matches involving hosts. > 1962 Mexico 3-1 Czechoslovakia 70 > 1994 Bulgaria 2-0 Argentina 68 > 1978 Peru 3-1 Scotland 66 Losing to non-UEFA opposition is not really a surprise to us long-suffering Scotland fans. > 2002 Poland 3-1 United States 66 > 1950 United States 1-0 England 56 > 1982 Algeria 2-1 West Germany 56 > 2002 Senegal 1-0 France 53 > 1950 Brazil 1-2 Uruguay 52 > 1998 Nigeria 3-2 Spain 52 > 1934 Sweden 3-2 Argentina 51 > 1958 Wales 2-1 Hungary 50 > 1974 West Germany 0-1 East Germany 50 > 1990 Cameroon 2-1 Romania 50 > 1930 Yugoslavia 2-1 Brazil 49 > 1966 North Korea 1-0 Italy 49 > 1982 Italy 3-2 Brazil 49 > 1990 Costa Rica 2-1 Sweden 49 > 1982 Spain 0-1 Northern Ireland 48 > 1934 Germany 3-2 Austria 47 > 1978 Scotland 3-2 Netherlands 47 > 1978 Austria 3-2 West Germany 47 > 1990 Scotland 2-1 Sweden 47 > 1998 Norway 2-1 Brazil 47 > 1958 Northern Ireland 2-1 Czechoslovakia 46 > 1990 Argentina 1-0 Brazil 46 > 1958 Northern Ireland 1-0 Czechoslovakia 45 When you beat the same opponent twice in the same tournament, it is hardly an upset the second time, I suppose. > 1986 Belgium 4-3 Soviet Union 45 > 1994 Bulgaria 2-1 Germany 45 > 2002 Ecuador 1-0 Croatia 45 Most annoying result on the list as it saved Italy's bacon. > 2002 Japan 0-1 Turkey 45 > 1954 Switzerland 2-1 Italy 44 > 1954 West Germany 3-2 Hungary 44 > 1962 Chile 2-1 Soviet Union 44 Hosts again. > 1986 Portugal 1-0 England 44 > 1990 Argentina 0-1 Cameroon 44 > 1994 Saudi Arabia 1-0 Belgium 44 > 2002 Croatia 2-1 Italy 44 > > > Three games from your list didn't make it. > This should have (emailed Kirill): > 1986 Morocco 3-1 Portugal 61 > These two missed the cut: > 1990 Costa Rica 1-0 Scotland 43 > 2002 USA 3-2 Portugal 43 But just by one point. > > -- HASM
From: pkehoe on 9 Jun 2010 11:54 ++ NO... P
From: Werner Pichler on 9 Jun 2010 12:13 On 5 Jun., 14:02, Mike Babyak <triplef...(a)nospamtriplefret.com> wrote: > Gino Gardassanich Fiume, Italy For the sake of historical correctness, this should read Fiume, Free State of Fiume. Ciao, Werner
From: HASM on 9 Jun 2010 12:48
MH <MHnospam(a)ucalgary.ca> writes: >> 1954 Switzerland 4-1 Italy 73 > Home team, I didn't consider any matches involving hosts. >> 1962 Chile 2-1 Soviet Union 44 > Hosts again. ELO's "about ratings" states: The system was adapted to football by adding a weighting for the kind of match, an adjustment for the home team advantage, and an adjustment for goal difference in the match result. So those upsets would have ranked higher, if not for "an adjustment for the home team advantage". -- HASM |