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From: Alkamista on 27 Nov 2009 13:12 On Nov 25, 9:23 am, Enzo <s_debgu...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Nov 25, 1:51 am, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > On Nov 24, 2:23 pm, Enzo <s_debgu...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Ariel Ortega ( without doubt the best "next Maradona" in history ) > > > If you are talking only in an Argentine shirt, then possibly. If club > > football is taken into account as well then it has to be Messi, even > > at this young age. Ortega did nothing of note in Europe. Messi has won > > 3 Ligas, the UCL, UEFA Club Footballer of the Year, has played on > > Europe's best team, and has justifiably been in contention for best > > player in the world. > > Messi is a phenomenon of advertising. It is good in a way he is > going to South Africa, where he could be marked by the msm > as the fraud that I know he is. > > Chelsea is Europe's best team. Doesn't matter if Barca is the first, second, ot third best team in Europe, the point is that the best recruit the best, and Ortega's stint in Europe should go some way in showing how desirable a commodity he was. Also was, last season. And I said > so, before it was fashionable to say so. Though I was probably > wrong on Arsenal. > > Tevéz has many trophies too, but he only invites opprobrium. > Is it because he has a scar? Comparing Messi to Tevez is like compaing Maradona to Valdano.
From: FF on 27 Nov 2009 14:35 Jack Hollis wrote: > On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:06:55 -0800 (PST), Abubakr > <deltarasha(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >On 26 Nov, 02:23, Enzo <s_debgu...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> Chelsea is Europe's best team. Also was, last season. And I said > >> so, before it was fashionable to say so. > > > >You were wrong then and you are wrong now. > > If Chelsea were the best team last year, then they would have actually > tried to play against Barca instead of playing a packed in defense for > two games. Superior teams don't do that. That's the tactics of a team > that knows they're overmatched. That's not what happened. They defended tightly, of course, against that Barca team it was a must; but they were very sharp on the counter, dangerous every time they got the ball. Especially at home. (Unlike ManU in the final, BTW.) Barca could only stop them by doing many penalty offenses, which were systematically overlooked by Ovrebo.
From: Enzo on 27 Nov 2009 21:59 On Nov 27, 7:35 pm, FF <FAIRFOOTBALL....(a)domainsbyproxy.com> wrote: > Jack Hollis wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:06:55 -0800 (PST), Abubakr > > <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >On 26 Nov, 02:23, Enzo <s_debgu...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> Chelsea is Europe's best team. Also was, last season. And I said > > >> so, before it was fashionable to say so. > > > >You were wrong then and you are wrong now. > > > If Chelsea were the best team last year, then they would have actually > > tried to play against Barca instead of playing a packed in defense for > > two games. Superior teams don't do that. That's the tactics of a team > > that knows they're overmatched. > > That's not what happened. They defended tightly, of course, against > that Barca team it was a must; but they were very sharp on the > counter, dangerous every time they got the ball. Especially at home. > (Unlike ManU in the final, BTW.) Barca could only stop them by doing > many penalty offenses, which were systematically overlooked by Ovrebo. And of course, they created more scoring chances than Barca, and were only stopped by a deranged referee.
From: Enzo on 27 Nov 2009 22:01 On Nov 27, 6:12 pm, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On Nov 25, 9:23 am, Enzo <s_debgu...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Nov 25, 1:51 am, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Nov 24, 2:23 pm, Enzo <s_debgu...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > Ariel Ortega ( without doubt the best "next Maradona" in history ) > > > > If you are talking only in an Argentine shirt, then possibly. If club > > > football is taken into account as well then it has to be Messi, even > > > at this young age. Ortega did nothing of note in Europe. Messi has won > > > 3 Ligas, the UCL, UEFA Club Footballer of the Year, has played on > > > Europe's best team, and has justifiably been in contention for best > > > player in the world. > > > Messi is a phenomenon of advertising. It is good in a way he is > > going to South Africa, where he could be marked by the msm > > as the fraud that I know he is. > > > Chelsea is Europe's best team. > > Doesn't matter if Barca is the first, second, ot third best team in > Europe, the point is that the best recruit the best, and Ortega's > stint in Europe should go some way in showing how desirable a > commodity he was. Ortega may not have been successful in Europe, but he was far better in an Argentine shirt than Messi has been so far. Besides, a player's worth for the NT is not measured by his European pay packet. > > Also was, last season. And I said > > > so, before it was fashionable to say so. Though I was probably > > wrong on Arsenal. > > > Tevéz has many trophies too, but he only invites opprobrium. > > Is it because he has a scar? > > Comparing Messi to Tevez is like compaing Maradona to Valdano.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Just countering your point on Messi having won many trophies. It proves nothing ( not even in Fantasy Scout ! ).
From: ken.overton on 28 Nov 2009 09:14
On Nov 27, 2:35 pm, FF <FAIRFOOTBALL....(a)domainsbyproxy.com> wrote: > Barca could only stop them by doing > many penalty offenses, which were systematically overlooked by Ovrebo. I feel so bad for Chelsea; they were such a clean, non-fouling, positive, attack-oriented side. Who never dives and always smell like freshly-plucked roses. Did I mention how handsome they are? It was a travesty what happened to them, and a crime against innocent children everywhere. Jesus positively wept. |