From: Clément on
On Nov 22, 8:21 pm, chris909 wrote:
>
> Still, that does not necessarily mean they were the team to beat, as
> the WC1934 was held in Europe. As a southamerican myself I hate to say
> that to this date no Southamerican team has won the WC in Europe.

Except for Brazil in 1958.


Abraço,

Luiz Mello
From: ken.overton on
On Nov 22, 12:11 pm, Static Void <s...(a)ticvoid.com> wrote:
> Abubakr wrote:
> > You forgot Brazil in 82, one of the last truly great teams to play in
> > the WC.
>
> They were a hell lotta fun to watch, the total sum was even greater than
> the sum of its parts as great as they were individually - Zico, Falcao,
> Socrates, Cerezzo.

I was thinking of the 82 team as well, but what about Brazil in '50?
They were the hosts, they pasted everybody's ears back until the final
when Uruguay sucker-punched them in the Maracanazo.
From: Quincy on
On 22 Nov., 15:35, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 22 Nov, 23:48, Quincy <ab...(a)email.de> wrote:
>
> > Wunderteam 1: Austria 1931-1933:
>
> > The world cup 1934 came a little bit late for them. Two years before
> > nobody could have stopped them, but in 1934 they were still the best,
> > but lost the Semifinals against Italy because the refery was
> > completely on Italy's side because of the the pressure of the Italian
> > regime.
> > WC1934 SF: Austria - Italy 0:1
>
> Not true. Uruguay was reigning World Cup and Olympic Champions. They
> were the team to beat but declined to defend their title as protest
> against the perceived snubbing of their tournament by European
> countries four years earlier.

Not true. The Austrian team 1931/1932 was as dominant as the Hungarian
team 1952-56, only their period was much shorter. E.g they beat
Germany 5-0 and 6-0 at this time. In 1931 Austria would have handled
Uruguay easily, especially in Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wunderteam
From: Quincy on
On 22 Nov., 23:57, Clément <lcmello.lis...(a)terra.com.br> wrote:
> On Nov 22, 8:21 pm, chris909 wrote:
>
>
>
> > Still, that does not necessarily mean they were the team to beat, as
> > the WC1934 was held in Europe. As a southamerican myself I hate to say
> > that to this date no Southamerican team has won the WC in Europe.
>
> Except for Brazil in 1958.

Yes, this is the only case for winning the WC on the "foe" continent
at all.

Brazil profited here a little bit from a quite weak final opponent
Sweden, who had been helped out by refereeing before the final.
From: Abubakr on
On 23 Nov, 09:21, chris909 <chris909...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 22, 9:35 am, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 22 Nov, 23:48, Quincy <ab...(a)email.de> wrote:
>
> > > Wunderteam 1: Austria 1931-1933:
>
> > > The world cup 1934 came a little bit late for them. Two years before
> > > nobody could have stopped them, but in 1934 they were still the best,
> > > but lost the Semifinals against Italy because the refery was
> > > completely on Italy's side because of the the pressure of the Italian
> > > regime.
> > > WC1934 SF: Austria - Italy 0:1
>
> > Not true. Uruguay was reigning World Cup and Olympic Champions. They
> > were the team to beat but declined to defend their title as protest
> > against the perceived snubbing of their tournament by European
> > countries four years earlier.
>
> Still, that does not necessarily mean they were the team to beat, as
> the WC1934 was held in Europe. As a southamerican myself I hate to say
> that to this date no Southamerican team has won the WC in Europe. Some
> say that it was this Austrian team that pioneered the total football
> technique.

It would have been a contest between the two 'river schools', the
Danubian the La Plata one that never happened. Still it's worth
mentioning that Uruguay were the winners of the last two Olympic
tournaments, on European soil no less, and had wowed their hosts who
had not seen football of that standard before. And neither had
European teams won in Sth America and still haven't. The Sth Americans
have won in Europe so Uruguay might have been the first.

> > > Wunderteam 2: Hungary 1952-1956:
>
> > > This one was the biggest upset in football history as Hungary was
> > > completely on their prime in 1954. They should beat the German team in
> > > the group stages 8-3, won in QF against Brazil 4-2 and in the SF
> > > against defending champion Uruguay 4-2.
> > > That was happenend in the final though is still unexplicable for most
> > > experts. Many bad things came together. Puskas played even obviously
> > > not 100% fit, the heavy rain, the inredible team spirit of the Germans
> > > and a lot of bad luck.
> > > WC1954 F: Hungary - Germany 2:3
>
> > This was probably the strongest side in a WC that didn't go on to win
> > it.
>
> Definitely.
>
> > > Wunderteam 3: Holland 1973-1974:
>
> > > 1974 was A similar situation to 1954: Holland the best team of the
> > > world and taking out all big names for the eventual World Champion,
> > > Germany. The only difference now was that Germany was not the big
> > > underdog here as they had themselves their prime just 2 years before
> > > and so the Dutch faced another very strong team in the finals. Bad
> > > luck.
> > > WC1974 F: Holland - Germany 1:2
>
> > Not as bad as Hungary as the Germans were quite formidable in their
> > own right.
>
> True, although the football total from The Netherlands managed to
> pretty much trash anybody, including a 2-0 win over East Germany who
> had beaten West Germany in the previous round. Poland also deserves a
> minor distinction. Could have been the winner with Lato being the top
> scorer.
>
> > > Wunderteam 4: Portugal 1999-2000:
> > > The way the young Portugals around Figo became U21 World champions
> > > some years before was so amazing that is wasn't that big surprise that
> > > they easily sent home Germany and England in the group stages of 2000..
> > > In the SF against World Champion France it showed that they were sill
> > > too young to handle such a clever and routined defensive team as
> > > France at this point.
> > > EC2000 SF: Portugal - France 1:2 n.V.
>
> > The Euros don't count.
>
> EC? Who cares ;- ) The WC it is, everything else is what happens
> between two World Cups
>
>
>
> > > Wunderteam 5: Czechia 2004:
> > > 5 years are gone since there match against Holland in EC2004, where
> > > the Czechs beat them 3-2. People are still talking about the finest
> > > and fastest match of all time with plenty of goal chance on both
> > > sides. But similary to the Portugals 4 years before they ran against a
> > > super defensive team in the Semifinals (Greece) and that was the end,
> > > even though they were clearly the better team.
> > > EC2004 SF: Czechia - Greece 0:1 n.V.
>
> > Ditto.
>
> > You forgot Brazil in 82, one of the last truly great teams to play in
> > the WC. Not even the winners of subsequent tournaments have generated
> > as much admiration and given as much joy to football lovers as that
> > brilliant side did losing it. Those were the days when regional styles
> > were upheld with pride and their juxtaposition in matches were a major
> > source of the WC's appeal. Nowadays everybody plays the same and it
> > ain't no jogo bonito.
>
> Brazil is always a contender and was a great team in 82 as well, but
> if there is any World Cup that Italy deserved (clearly 34-38 and 06
> were not) then it was this one, with the formidable Zoff and Rossi.
>
> Although light years behind these teams, I remember Denmark 1986 and
> the golden generation of Colombia 1994-1998 as fantastic teams (that
> lacking the experience choked on the big stage). Also Argentina 06 is
> worth mentioning. They produced a fantastic first round with a clinic
> in juego bonito and had the QF game against Germany in the bag before
> losing it in penalty kicks.

The Argies have a long history of shooting themselves in the foot. In
1957 they had trounced the Brasucas three zip in the Copa America but
then on the eve of the WC, the FA decided to banish from the team
their stars such as Sivori who had run away to the Serie A. They could
only make the quarters.

Then came Pekerman who couldn't hold his nerve against the Germans.
Still Argentina are one of the few teams ( couple of Africans and
Russians are others) who still uphold their traditional game and must
be commended for consistently producing the best football in WC
tournaments in this era of homogeneity of drabness.
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