The Wunderteams of football history and why they never won a title in their prime
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From: Mark V. on 1 Dec 2009 23:31 On Dec 1, 10:42 pm, Enzo <s_debgu...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Dec 1, 4:43 pm, Benny <Be...(a)soccer-europe.com> wrote: > > > Best strike duo in the World at that time based on what? Their awe > > inspiring partnership in the qualifiers during which Argentina were > > mauled 0-5 by Colombia? Or do you mean their World Class displays in the > > 2-1 playoff win over Argentina? Batistuta was a great striker. Caniggia > > a decent, International class forward, nothing more than that. > > Name one strike duo in 1994 better than them, if it is Romario and > Bebeto > then one must remember that was after the fact. I doubt that. If anything, Caniggia's reputation was inflated by his performance in 1990. IIRC, he didn't even PLAY the year before the cup because his coke problem got him into trouble. And as Benny pointed out, if the tandem had been *that* good defending runners-up Argentina wouldn't have had to work out qualifying by flying to Australia. Everybody knew that Romario and Bebeto were the strike team to watch going into 1994.
From: Alkamista on 2 Dec 2009 10:32 On Dec 1, 9:42 pm, Enzo <s_debgu...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Name one strike duo in 1994 better than them, if it is Romario and > Bebeto > then one must remember that was after the fact. Actually, no. They were highly touted as the pair to watch even before the tournament started, and they lived up to expectations.
From: Benny on 2 Dec 2009 17:14 > Subject : The Wunderteams of football history and why they never won a title in their prime > From : s_debgupta(a)yahoo.com > Besides, drug-supported sporting achievements are legion. Was Marita > Koch clean when she ran that 400m? But it is still considered > a great achievement. Drug use is rife in Athletics, American football, Baseball etc, etc I do not believe it is rife in soccer because being a split second faster, higher doesn't matter. Maradona cheated to get his weight down, something all other footballers manage without steroids, and to get a boost of adrenaline. > Most Italian clubs use drugs, always have. Juve did. I would love to see your evidence to support your claim for the other clubs. > 8 games? He should have been banned for life. Leonardo only got 4 and his elbow was just as bad if not worse. > Name one strike duo in 1994 better than them, if it is Romario and > Bebeto then one must remember that was after the fact. One never > knows what would have happened if Argentina progressed further ( with > Maradona playing, of course ). You claimed they were the best in the World. Based on what? Batistuta and Caniggia were not a PROVEN strike duo. There were other partnerships that were far more impressive, on paper, e.g. Baggio and Signori, Voeller and Klinsmann. > I did *not* place them in the same category as some of these teams, > but the list is varied. Platini's France was nowhere near as good > as Beckenbauer's Germany, yet one is included and the other not. That's because Beckenbauer's Germany have won a World Cup. > 1994 Argentina was better than !982 Brasil, for one. They were > knocked out in the second round too, but seem to be considered > a wunderteam based on a single game against New Zealand. They were knocked out in the second group stages and only lost once, to the eventual Champions. Argentina lost to Nigeria, who went out in the last 16, and Romania, who went out in the last 8. -- http://soccer-europe.com Rss feed : http://soccer-europe.com/RSS/News.xml
From: Mark V. on 2 Dec 2009 17:37 On Dec 2, 5:14 pm, Benny <Be...(a)soccer-europe.com> wrote: > > Subject : The Wunderteams of football history and why they never > won a title in their prime > > From : s_debgu...(a)yahoo.com > > 1994 Argentina was better than !982 Brasil, for one. They were > > knocked out in the second round too, but seem to be considered > > a wunderteam based on a single game against New Zealand. > > They were knocked out in the second group stages and only lost once, to > the eventual Champions. Argentina lost to Nigeria, who went out in the > last 16, and Romania, who went out in the last 8. No, they lost to Bulgaria, who went out in the last 4, and Romania.... (Did Clemens Westerhof ghost-write this post for you? :-) ) Nonetheless, Argentina '94 > Brazil '82 is a rather impressive claim! That Brazilian team had a 23 match unbeaten streak snapped when they finally lost to Italy.
From: Enzo on 3 Dec 2009 10:29
On Dec 2, 10:14 pm, Benny <Be...(a)soccer-europe.com> wrote: > > Subject : The Wunderteams of football history and why they never > won a title in their prime > > From : s_debgu...(a)yahoo.com > > > Besides, drug-supported sporting achievements are legion. Was Marita > > Koch clean when she ran that 400m? But it is still considered > > a great achievement. > > Drug use is rife in Athletics, American football, Baseball etc, etc I do > not believe it is rife in soccer because being a split second faster, > higher doesn't matter. Maradona cheated to get his weight down, > something all other footballers manage without steroids, and to get a > boost of adrenaline. > Athletics, yes. Not baseball or American football. You can get your weight down to size zero, but you still wont be able to pass a ball. If anything, getting ones weight down is, all things considered, irrelevant. Would di Stefano be able to get his weight down in 94 and pass rings round the powerful Nigerians? > > Most Italian clubs use drugs, always have. > > Juve did. I would love to see your evidence to support your claim for > the other clubs. Pep Guardiola, the God-like manager of Barcelona. I must say I dont follow the Serie A. Thank God for that! the Italian national Olympic committee, challenged the ruling of the Italian soccer federation which cleared Guard-I-Ola for doping when playing for Brescia. > > > 8 games? He should have been banned for life. > > Leonardo only got 4 and his elbow was just as bad if not worse. > > > Name one strike duo in 1994 better than them, if it is Romario and > > Bebeto then one must remember that was after the fact. One never > > knows what would have happened if Argentina progressed further ( with > > Maradona playing, of course ). > > You claimed they were the best in the World. Based on what? Batistuta > and Caniggia were not a PROVEN strike duo. There were other partnerships > that were far more impressive, on paper, e.g. Baggio and Signori, > Voeller and Klinsmann. They were the best in effectiveness, in my estimation. Voeller and Klinsmann couldnt score a goal between them without Codesal. I will return to this with further research in the immediate future. |