From: Abubakr on
On 24 Nov, 00:32, Quincy <ab...(a)email.de> wrote:
> On 23 Nov., 01:30, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It would have been a contest between the two 'river schools', the
> > Danubian the La Plata one that never happened. Still it's worth
> > mentioning that Uruguay were the winners of the last two Olympic
> > tournaments, on European soil no less, and had wowed their hosts who
> > had not seen football of that standard before. And neither had
> > European teams won in Sth America and still haven't. The Sth Americans
> > have won in Europe so Uruguay might have been the first.
>
> Your forget that 20 years later

An age! What's your point?

, 1954, we saw that very contest
> between the two "river schools" as very strong defending champion
> Uruguay

Yes we did.

>(took out England in QF)

And England were strong? Didn't they get their arses handed to them by
the Magyars a year before?

faced Hungary in the semifinal even
> without Puskas.
>
> Result: Hungary wiped the European soil with the Uruguayan team as
> they did it with Brazil one match before.

Oh? 4-2 in extra time is wiping floors now is it? To me it's a hard
fought win. No doubt Hungary were the best side in the world at the
time and they proved themselves against the South Americans.

The Austria of the early thirties, OTOH, did not. The Uruguay of the
same period did. They were the first WC winners as well as taking the
last two Olympic titles on European soil.
From: Clément on
On Nov 22, 9:53 pm, Quincy wrote:
> On 22 Nov., 23:57, Clément wrote:
>
> > Except for Brazil in 1958.
>
> Yes, this is the only case for winning the WC on the "foe" continent
> at all.
>
> Brazil profited here a little bit from a quite weak final opponent
> Sweden, who had been helped out by refereeing before the final.

By "profiting a little" you mean avoiding West Germany in the final?
From the top of my head, they were probably the best side Brazil
didn't face in 1958, after being drawn with England and the USSR, and
meeting France in the semis (France being the other great team that
year).

That said, Sweden were fairly good themselves, and were at home.
Hardly a weak opponent.


Abraço,

Luiz Mello
From: Quincy on
On 23 Nov., 15:05, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 24 Nov, 00:32, Quincy <ab...(a)email.de> wrote:
>
> > On 23 Nov., 01:30, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > It would have been a contest between the two 'river schools', the
> > > Danubian the La Plata one that never happened. Still it's worth
> > > mentioning that Uruguay were the winners of the last two Olympic
> > > tournaments, on European soil no less, and had wowed their hosts who
> > > had not seen football of that standard before. And neither had
> > > European teams won in Sth America and still haven't. The Sth Americans
> > > have won in Europe so Uruguay might have been the first.
>
> > Your forget that 20 years later
>
> An age! What's your point?
>
> , 1954, we saw that very contest
>
> > between the two "river schools" as very strong defending champion
> > Uruguay
>
> Yes we did.
>
> >(took out England in QF)
>
> And England were strong? Didn't they get their arses handed to them by
> the Magyars a year before?
>
> faced Hungary in the semifinal even
>
> > without Puskas.
>
> > Result: Hungary wiped the European soil with the Uruguayan team as
> > they did it with Brazil one match before.
>
> Oh? 4-2 in extra time is wiping floors now is it? To me it's a hard
> fought win. No doubt Hungary were the best side in the world at the
> time and they proved themselves against the South Americans.
>
> The Austria of the early thirties, OTOH, did not.

I know, they only played European teams. It's a pity the Olympics 1932
did miss out football because of the WC.

But anyway their results in that period is stunning and as dominant as
the Magyars in the 50ties. Examples:

16.05.1931 Wien ÖSTERREICH - SCHOTTLAND 5:0
24.05.1931 Berlin DEUTSCHLAND - ÖSTERREICH 0:6
16.06.1931 Wien ÖSTERREICH - SCHWEIZ 2:0
13.09.1931 Wien ÖSTERREICH - DEUTSCHLAND 5:0
04.10.1931 Budapest UNGARN - ÖSTERREICH 2:2
29.11.1931 Basel SCHWEIZ - ÖSTERREICH 1:8
20.03.1932 Wien ÖSTERREICH - ITALIEN 2:1
24.04.1932 Wien ÖSTERREICH - UNGARN 8:2

From: Clément on
On Nov 22, 10:30 pm, Abubakr wrote:
> On 23 Nov, 09:21, chris909 wrote:
>
> > Although light years behind these teams, I remember Denmark 1986 and
> > the golden generation of Colombia 1994-1998 as fantastic teams (that
> > lacking the experience choked on the big stage). Also Argentina 06 is
> > worth mentioning. They produced a fantastic first round with a clinic
> > in juego bonito and had the QF game against Germany in the bag before
> > losing it in penalty kicks.
>
> The Argies have a long history of shooting themselves in the foot. In
> 1957 they had trounced the Brasucas three zip in the Copa America

Granted, Argentina were fairly dominant in the matchup against Brazil
until probably the mid 1950's. However, those old-time South American
Championships are not a very good measuring stick of these countries
relative strength (as it's questionable whether Brazil put on a full-
strength effort at these tournaments back then).

This is not to disagree with your point (I actually don't), just an
aside.


> but
> then on the eve of the WC, the FA decided to banish from the team
> their stars such as Sivori who had run away to the Serie A. They could
> only make the quarters.

They actually were eliminated on the first round, after losing to West
Germany (1-3), beating Northern Ireland (3-1), and being routed by
Czechoslovakia (1-6), a losing margin never repeated until the recent
WCQ drubbing in La Paz.


Abraço,

Luiz Mello
From: Enzo on
On Nov 23, 2:39 am, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 23 Nov, 13:34, Enzo <s_debgu...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Still Argentina are one of the few teams ( couple of Africans and
> > > Russians are others)
>
> > Argentina produce unmitigated trash nowadays. The latest example
> > is their friendly against Spain. They are rubbish, from top to bottom.
>
> No matter, they were still the best side at the last WC and many more,
> which Spain have yet to achieve in all their years of trying (though a
> case could be made for 2002).

Beside the point. I am quoting you, both in this thread ( emphasis
mine ).

"Still Argentina ***are*** one of the few teams ..."
"No matter, they ***were*** still the best side ..."

My point was made in response to the first of the above.
Besides, they were emphatically not the best side in 2006.
They were outplayed by Mexico.
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