The Wunderteams of football history and why they never won a title in their prime
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From: Abubakr on 30 Nov 2009 23:23 On 30 Nov, 09:15, FF <FAIRFOOTBALL....(a)domainsbyproxy.com> wrote: > Anyway, park-the-bus is part of the game, unfortunately. Over the 2 > legs Chelsea still were probably better. But obviously we'll never > agree about this. It's not part of Barcelona or any truly great team's mental make-up because they know they are better than that. It's for those teams who (rightly or wrongly) sense an inferiority in themselves towards a rival team.
From: Benny on 1 Dec 2009 11:43 > Subject : The Wunderteams of football history and why they never won a title in their prime > From : s_debgupta(a)yahoo.com > Not physically. Technically. Better than any African side > playing at present. Technically Okocha aside they were average. Amuneke, Finidi, Yekini etc, etc average players. > And the physical bit helps. Not for nothing > do you yourself constantly go on about "midgets". Except for > Messi, of course, who for some strange reason you all seen > to think is the messiah. I go on about overrated midgets, frauds like Aimar and Ortega. Messi is the best player in the World. Top scorer in the champions league, joint 2nd on assists, 23 goals in 27 league games for Barca, 11 assists, a proven winner. >> It is not irrelevant he cheated and deserved to be banned. >> > It is irrelevant to the discussion. Besides, he was banned, > but he did not cheat. It is completely relevant because without the steroids he wouldn't have been able to lose weight nor would he have had any stamina nor would he have been selected in the first place. > That Italian defender who knocked out Enrique's nose, he cheated. Yes, he committed a foul and was rightly banned for 8 games. Using steroids is a lot more serious than committing a foul which is why it carries a much more severe penalty. >> Your attempts are revisionist history are pathetic. Caniggia was a >> mediocre player. 16 goals in 50 games for Argentina, 4 in 20 for Roma >> before the World Cup. A good link man, nothing more. > > I didnt say Caniggia singly. I said "strike duo". Best strike duo in the World at that time based on what? Their awe inspiring partnership in the qualifiers during which Argentina were mauled 0-5 by Colombia? Or do you mean their World Class displays in the 2-1 playoff win over Argentina? Batistuta was a great striker. Caniggia a decent, International class forward, nothing more than that. >> Maradona didn't play any league games in 1994. Best in the World because >> of a goal against Greece? Don't be ridiculous. >> > > Dont be delusional. From someone who raves week in and week out > about Cassano, the rest of this stuff is not worth consideration. Who is being delusional? You claimed Maradona was World Class in 1994 on the back of the TWO games he played ALL YEAR. I praise Cassano for his talent but don't claim he's World Class. As I said before you have a romantic idea of that Argentina team and they were just as overrated and over hyped as subsequent Argentina teams have been. It's an insult to place them anywhere near a list of the great teams that never won the World Cup, that should be reserved for Puskas' Hungary, Cryuff's Holland, Platini's France etc, etc not second rate teams that weren't even good enough to get past the second round. -- http://soccer-europe.com Rss feed : http://soccer-europe.com/RSS/News.xml
From: Google Beta User on 1 Dec 2009 12:03 On Dec 1, 11:43 am, Benny <Be...(a)soccer-europe.com> wrote: > > Dont be delusional. From someone who raves week in and week out > > about Cassano, the rest of this stuff is not worth consideration. > > Who is being delusional? You claimed Maradona was World Class in 1994 on > the back of the TWO games he played ALL YEAR. I praise Cassano for his > talent but don't claim he's World Class. He's gifted as Messi.. Technically he's above Ronaldo, Messi and Ibrahimovic etc etc. Thought you said that? Not agreeing or disagreeing, but that looks suspiciously like elevating a player to World Class status. Even if you say you didn't "say" he's World Class you DO rave about him week in week out like Enzo says.
From: Benny on 1 Dec 2009 14:38 > Subject : The Wunderteams of football history and why they never won a title in their prime > From : wanyikuli(a)gmail.com > He's gifted as Messi.. > Technically he's above Ronaldo, Messi and Ibrahimovic > etc etc. > > Thought you said that? Yep. > Not agreeing or disagreeing, but that looks > suspiciously like elevating a player to World Class status. Talent alone is never enough. I have made that clear many, many times in the past. > Even if > you say you didn't "say" he's World Class you DO rave about him week > in week out like Enzo says. Exactly. I don't say he's World Class. -- http://soccer-europe.com Rss feed : http://soccer-europe.com/RSS/News.xml
From: Enzo on 1 Dec 2009 22:42
On Dec 1, 4:43 pm, Benny <Be...(a)soccer-europe.com> wrote: > > Subject : The Wunderteams of football history and why they never > won a title in their prime > > From : s_debgu...(a)yahoo.com > > > Not physically. Technically. Better than any African side > > playing at present. > > Technically Okocha aside they were average. Amuneke, Finidi, Yekini etc, > etc average players. > > > And the physical bit helps. Not for nothing > > do you yourself constantly go on about "midgets". Except for > > Messi, of course, who for some strange reason you all seen > > to think is the messiah. > > I go on about overrated midgets, frauds like Aimar and Ortega. Messi is > the best player in the World. Top scorer in the champions league, joint > 2nd on assists, 23 goals in 27 league games for Barca, 11 assists, a > proven winner. > > >> It is not irrelevant he cheated and deserved to be banned. > >> > > It is irrelevant to the discussion. Besides, he was banned, > > but he did not cheat. > > It is completely relevant because without the steroids he wouldn't have > been able to lose weight nor would he have had any stamina nor would he > have been selected in the first place. He did what he had to do, supported by the federation, and some say, even the FIFA, which wanted him fit and on the field. Everyone knew he was doing it in the lead-up to the tournament. Why let him play any game at all? Besides, drug-supported sporting achievements are legion. Was Marita Koch clean when she ran that 400m? But it is still considered a great achievement. Most Italian clubs use drugs, always have. > > > That Italian defender who knocked out Enrique's nose, he cheated. > > Yes, he committed a foul and was rightly banned for 8 games. Using > steroids is a lot more serious than committing a foul which is why it > carries a much more severe penalty. > 8 games? He should have been banned for life. > >> Your attempts are revisionist history are pathetic. Caniggia was a > >> mediocre player. 16 goals in 50 games for Argentina, 4 in 20 for Roma > >> before the World Cup. A good link man, nothing more. > > > > I didnt say Caniggia singly. I said "strike duo". > > Best strike duo in the World at that time based on what? Their awe > inspiring partnership in the qualifiers during which Argentina were > mauled 0-5 by Colombia? Or do you mean their World Class displays in the > 2-1 playoff win over Argentina? Batistuta was a great striker. Caniggia > a decent, International class forward, nothing more than that. > Name one strike duo in 1994 better than them, if it is Romario and Bebeto then one must remember that was after the fact. One never knows what would have happened if Argentina progressed further ( with Maradona playing, of course ). > >> Maradona didn't play any league games in 1994. Best in the World because > >> of a goal against Greece? Don't be ridiculous. > >> > > > > Dont be delusional. From someone who raves week in and week out > > about Cassano, the rest of this stuff is not worth consideration. > > Who is being delusional? You claimed Maradona was World Class in 1994 on > the back of the TWO games he played ALL YEAR. I praise Cassano for his > talent but don't claim he's World Class. As I said before you have a > romantic idea of that Argentina team and they were just as overrated and > over hyped as subsequent Argentina teams have been. It's an insult to > place them anywhere near a list of the great teams that never won the > World Cup, that should be reserved for Puskas' Hungary, Cryuff's > Holland, Platini's France etc, etc not second rate teams that weren't > even good enough to get past the second round. I did *not* place them in the same category as some of these teams, but the list is varied. Platini's France was nowhere near as good as Beckenbauer's Germany, yet one is included and the other not. 1994 Argentina was better than !982 Brasil, for one. They were knocked out in the second round too, but seem to be considered a wunderteam based on a single game against New Zealand. So basically I say it on that count. I am not idiotic enough to compare them with Hungary 54 or Holland/Germany 74. > > --http://soccer-europe.com > Rss feed :http://soccer-europe.com/RSS/News.xml |