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From: Jellore on 30 Jun 2010 08:54 On Jun 30, 7:52 pm, gsn <gsnaraya...(a)ymail.com> wrote: > On Jun 30, 5:00 am, Jellore <jell...(a)bigpond.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 30, 4:31 am, "Bob" <B...(a)Bob.com> wrote: > > > > MH wrote: > > > > Bob wrote: > > > >> RED DEVIL wrote: > > > >>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:20:49 -0700 (PDT), gsn > > > >>> <gsnaraya...(a)ymail.com> wrote: > > > > >>>> On Jun 29, 11:27 am, RED DEVIL <manutd1...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > >>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 05:12:47 -0700 (PDT), gsn > > > >>>>> <gsnaraya...(a)ymail.com> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> I have not been keeping in touch with English football, but > > > >>>>>> is there a reason why Alex Ferguson is not considered for England > > > >>>>>> coach (with Beckham perhaps as assistant coach)? > > > >>>>>> Are there issues like politics, lack of interest on Fergie's > > > >>>>>> part? Looks like if anyone, Alex Ferguson can put together a > > > >>>>>> winning team. > > > >>>>>> gsn > > > >>>>> They offered it to him before Erikson and he laughed them off > > > >>>>> RED DEVIL > > > > >>>> Wouldn't do it for country and the Queen ?! > > > > >>>> gsn > > > >>> It's not his country > > > > >> It seems like it is for most purpose. > > > > > England is not. The UK is. He would be coaching England, not the UK.. > > > > He doesn't need an English passport to coach England, and he seems very well > > > assimilated and accepted in England so I don't completely see the problem. I > > > could better understand if he was some kind of rebel who advocated > > > independence, but may be I am mistaken and he's a fierce independentist?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > No such thing as an English passport Bob. > > Out of curiosity, do Northern Ireland residents (are they called > Northern Irish?) carry British passports? > If I remember right from high school geography, UK = Great Britain + > NI , so are NI people seperate? > > regards > > gsn- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Yes they do.
From: Dwight Beers on 30 Jun 2010 09:10 On 06/29/2010 04:06 PM, RED DEVIL wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:52:37 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot" > <skriptis(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote: > >> >> "RED DEVIL"<manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> news:aqtk26dai4grtm857g4j2g0e7jqjsuvlr3(a)4ax.com... >>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:44:29 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot" >>> <skriptis(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> "RED DEVIL"<manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>>> news:hamk26hlnfflhdqcjegmk4ns0fka1ii1et(a)4ax.com... >>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:48:32 +0100, Mehdi<Benny(a)soccer-europe.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> Subject : England coach >>>>>>> From : grassynoel(a)iinet.net.au >>>>>> >>> >>> What would they gain? >>> RED DEVIL >> <snip> > Name the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Island players that would have > improved England's squad in SA? > I can think of only two, Darren Fletcher and Given and they would > have sat on the bench (well maybe not Given). > > RED DEVIL Andy Dorman
From: RED DEVIL on 30 Jun 2010 10:50 On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 02:05:17 -0700 (PDT), Jellore <jellore(a)bigpond.com> wrote: >On Jun 30, 9:06�am, RED DEVIL <manutd1...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: >> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:52:37 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot" >> >> >> >> >> >> <skrip...(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote: >> >> >"RED DEVIL" <manutd1...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> >news:aqtk26dai4grtm857g4j2g0e7jqjsuvlr3(a)4ax.com... >> >> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:44:29 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot" >> >> <skrip...(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote: >> >> >>>"RED DEVIL" <manutd1...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> >>>news:hamk26hlnfflhdqcjegmk4ns0fka1ii1et(a)4ax.com... >> >>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:48:32 +0100, Mehdi <Be...(a)soccer-europe.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>> > Subject : England coach >> >>>>> > From : grassyn...(a)iinet.net.au >> >> >>>>>> This business of the UK being allowed to field four teams is stupid. >> >>>>>> The >> >>>>>> UK has been one country for far longer than Italy or Germany, to give >> >>>>>> just two examples. IFAB needs to be restructured or abolished, too. >> >> >>>>>Agreed. The national associations should have equal power, the decision >> >>>>>making should not be shared by 4+4. Of course you do know that this >> >>>>>situation is entirely the fault of the British FAs - for giving FIFA >> >>>>>voting rights. >> >> >>>> As usual Benny doesn't have a clue. It's not about voting rights it's >> >>>> about the very existance of the UK countries FA's. If there was a UK >> >>>> FA then there wouldn't be an England, Scotland, Wales or Northern >> >>>> Ireland FA. It would also cut back the number of CL entries. >> >> >>>Like Welsh, N. Irish or Sccotish teams benefit from having a CL entry? >> >>>When did last time a team from any of those countries play a major role in >> >>>a >> >>>CL tournament? >> >> >> Ask Celtic or Rangers if they benefit. Of course they do, financially. >> >> >Well they almost never play CL, so they don't benefit. That's why they >> >wanted to join the EPL, haven't they. To play in the stronger league, to >> >earn more money, and to become a factor in Europe. >> >> What happens to them if they joined the Premier league and were >> relegated? And what happens to the rest of the Scottish Premier >> league? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>If they/you form a single league and a single national team, yes, less >> >>>scotissh, welsh or irish teams would enter CL. >> >>>But those who'd enter would play a major role then, like Arsenal, United, >> >>>Chelsea, Liverpool play every year. >> >> >> If there was one National league the CL teams would remain the same as >> >> they've been for over a decade. >> >> >>>But I guess some like to be content with small things, like Scottish, >> >>>Irish >> >>>or Welsh. Ocasionaly world cup campaigns, if any, poor league, and >> >>>non-contender role in UEFA champions league. >> >> >>>Everybody would gain something, but the irony is, those who'd gain the >> >>>most, >> >>>are the ones who're most strongly against it, eg, Scotland, Ireland.. >> >> >> What would they gain? >> >> RED DEVIL >> >> >Great players like Ryan Giggs would play in the World Cup, he never played I >> >believe, and in general, �Scottish, Irish and Welsh players would have a >> >hope of one day winning it. They have no hope now, they're just a world cup >> >decoration, even when they make it. Which is not that often anyway. >> >> >And British team would be slightly stroner than English team. >> >> Name the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Island players that would have >> improved England's squad in SA? >> � �I can think of only two, Darren Fletcher and Given and they �would >> have sat on the bench (well maybe not Given). >> >> RED DEVIL- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >How about Johnny Evans? I forgot about Evans, yes he'd be a big improvement on Upson and Carragher RED DEVIL
From: MH on 30 Jun 2010 13:43 Bob wrote: > MH wrote: >> Bob wrote: >>> MH wrote: >>>> Manx Gunner wrote: >>>>> [RED DEVIL <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net>] >>>>> [Tue, 29 Jun 2010 12:21:51 -0400] >>>>> >>>>>> It's not his country >>>>> He should drop the 'Sir' silliness, then. >>>>> >>>> Why ? A knighthood can be given to many commonwealth citizens as >>>> far as I know. (Sir Edmund Hilary springs to mind). She is our >>>> Queen too. >>>> >>>> The UK is Alex Ferguson's country of citizenship. England most >>>> definitely is not. >>> Hasn't Scotland been occupied by England for eons? >> Occupied by England, no. Union of crowns was under a Scottish king, >> in 1603. Act of union passed by Scottish parliament (and English) in >> 1707. So no real occupation in the military sense since Cromwell. > > Alright, so they likely pulled out after stamping rebellions and got the > local aristocracy to police the Scotts? > >> Like an order of >>> magnitude longer than Latvia has been independent? I know the >>> distinction matters to Scottish people but from the outside it seems >>> like a matter of semantics. >> And tradition. International football and rugby both started with >> Scotland, England, Ireland and Wales playing each other. What >> possible harm does it do to anyone to keep that tradition of separate >> Football Associations in those jurisdictions? >> I mean I could see other UEFA nations being upset if the home >> countries were regularly taking up 3 or 4 of UEFA's WC slots, but >> there is no danger of that these days. >> And even reducing the number of UEFA countries by three by combining >> the four into one would only be a drop in the bucket in terms of >> reducing fixture congestion. > > The issue of FA's and spots available is another bag of worms. I just > thought that if Zidane and others could represent France on a football > pitch, Fergusson could surely coach England ;) I am sure Zidane feels French. In fact one of the problems with the African teams may be that a lot of the players don't feel particularly Ivorian, Cameroonian, Algerian etc. , but identify with European countries in which they have been born or perhaps lived nearly all of their lives. I am certain Ferguson doesn't feel at all English. I suspect the trend for the future within Europe will be for more "nations" to have their own teams, rather than fewer. I would not be surprised to see Basque and Catalan teams eventually gaining official status. Flemish and Walloon, too, given the recent politics and election in Belgium. I see being able to rally around sporting identities as quite healthy and preventing other problems, and wish Quebec were allowed to enter hockey tournaments as a separate entity. > >
From: Bob on 30 Jun 2010 19:10
MH wrote: > Bob wrote: >> MH wrote: >>> Bob wrote: >>>> MH wrote: >>>>> Manx Gunner wrote: >>>>>> [RED DEVIL <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net>] >>>>>> [Tue, 29 Jun 2010 12:21:51 -0400] >>>>>> >>>>>>> It's not his country >>>>>> He should drop the 'Sir' silliness, then. >>>>>> >>>>> Why ? A knighthood can be given to many commonwealth citizens as >>>>> far as I know. (Sir Edmund Hilary springs to mind). She is >>>>> our Queen too. >>>>> >>>>> The UK is Alex Ferguson's country of citizenship. England most >>>>> definitely is not. >>>> Hasn't Scotland been occupied by England for eons? >>> Occupied by England, no. Union of crowns was under a Scottish king, >>> in 1603. Act of union passed by Scottish parliament (and English) >>> in 1707. So no real occupation in the military sense since Cromwell. >> >> Alright, so they likely pulled out after stamping rebellions and got >> the local aristocracy to police the Scotts? >> >>> Like an order of >>>> magnitude longer than Latvia has been independent? I know the >>>> distinction matters to Scottish people but from the outside it >>>> seems like a matter of semantics. >>> And tradition. International football and rugby both started with >>> Scotland, England, Ireland and Wales playing each other. What >>> possible harm does it do to anyone to keep that tradition of >>> separate Football Associations in those jurisdictions? >>> I mean I could see other UEFA nations being upset if the home >>> countries were regularly taking up 3 or 4 of UEFA's WC slots, but >>> there is no danger of that these days. >>> And even reducing the number of UEFA countries by three by combining >>> the four into one would only be a drop in the bucket in terms of >>> reducing fixture congestion. >> >> The issue of FA's and spots available is another bag of worms. I just >> thought that if Zidane and others could represent France on a >> football pitch, Fergusson could surely coach England ;) > > I am sure Zidane feels French. In fact one of the problems with the > African teams may be that a lot of the players don't feel particularly > Ivorian, Cameroonian, Algerian etc. , but identify with European > countries in which they have been born or perhaps lived nearly all of > their lives. > > I am certain Ferguson doesn't feel at all English. I was suggesting that reasons for distrust toward the dominant culture are likely much fresher and vivid in Zidane's mind (for example) than it appear they should be for Fergusson. It still baffles me a little that Fergusson wouldn't feel a little English after the success and the acceptance he has found in England, or even that it has to be an issue fraught with patriotic soul searching for him. > > I suspect the trend for the future within Europe will be for more > "nations" to have their own teams, rather than fewer. I would not be > surprised to see Basque and Catalan teams eventually gaining official > status. Flemish and Walloon, too, given the recent politics and > election in Belgium. I see being able to rally around sporting > identities as quite healthy and preventing other problems, and wish > Quebec were allowed to enter hockey tournaments as a separate entity. Protecting regional cultures from centralism is important, yet I hope we aren't headed for atomization of national entities both in football and politics. I strongly hope Belgium survives its crisis but it's looking bleaker. |