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From: Bob on 29 Jun 2010 19:02 RED DEVIL wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 14:26:29 -0700, "Bob" <Bob(a)Bob.com> wrote: > >> RED DEVIL wrote: >>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:31:14 -0700, "Bob" <Bob(a)Bob.com> wrote: >>> >>>> MH wrote: >>>>> Bob wrote: >>>>>> RED DEVIL wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:20:49 -0700 (PDT), gsn >>>>>>> <gsnarayanan(a)ymail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 11:27 am, RED DEVIL <manutd1...(a)bellsouth.net> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 05:12:47 -0700 (PDT), gsn >>>>>>>>> <gsnaraya...(a)ymail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have not been keeping in touch with English football, >>>>>>>>>> but is there a reason why Alex Ferguson is not considered for >>>>>>>>>> England coach (with Beckham perhaps as assistant coach)? >>>>>>>>>> Are there issues like politics, lack of interest on Fergie's >>>>>>>>>> part? Looks like if anyone, Alex Ferguson can put together a >>>>>>>>>> winning team. >>>>>>>>>> gsn >>>>>>>>> They offered it to him before Erikson and he laughed them off >>>>>>>>> RED DEVIL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wouldn't do it for country and the Queen ?! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> gsn >>>>>>> It's not his country >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems like it is for most purpose. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> England is not. The UK is. He would be coaching England, not the >>>>> UK. >>>> >>>> He doesn't need an English passport to coach England, and he seems >>>> very well assimilated and accepted in England so I don't completely >>>> see the problem. I could better understand if he was some kind of >>>> rebel who advocated independence, but may be I am mistaken and he's >>>> a fierce independentist? >>>> >>> >>> There is no such thing as a "English Passport" >> >> which would appear to make my argument even stronger (if I really >> cared one way or another) >> > You care enough to argue True enough, but it isn't saying very much since I also think arguing is fun. Life would be terribly dull without it. In this case, I am a little puzzled because I have sympathy for the Scotts yet I don't really understand why Fergusson wouldn't do it.
From: RED DEVIL on 29 Jun 2010 19:06 On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:52:37 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot" <skriptis(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote: > >"RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message >news:aqtk26dai4grtm857g4j2g0e7jqjsuvlr3(a)4ax.com... >> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:44:29 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot" >> <skriptis(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote: >> >>> >>>"RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>>news:hamk26hlnfflhdqcjegmk4ns0fka1ii1et(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:48:32 +0100, Mehdi <Benny(a)soccer-europe.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> > Subject : England coach >>>>> > From : grassynoel(a)iinet.net.au >>>>> >>>>>> This business of the UK being allowed to field four teams is stupid. >>>>>> The >>>>>> UK has been one country for far longer than Italy or Germany, to give >>>>>> just two examples. IFAB needs to be restructured or abolished, too. >>>>> >>>>>Agreed. The national associations should have equal power, the decision >>>>>making should not be shared by 4+4. Of course you do know that this >>>>>situation is entirely the fault of the British FAs - for giving FIFA >>>>>voting rights. >>>> >>>> >>>> As usual Benny doesn't have a clue. It's not about voting rights it's >>>> about the very existance of the UK countries FA's. If there was a UK >>>> FA then there wouldn't be an England, Scotland, Wales or Northern >>>> Ireland FA. It would also cut back the number of CL entries. >>> >>>Like Welsh, N. Irish or Sccotish teams benefit from having a CL entry? >>>When did last time a team from any of those countries play a major role in >>>a >>>CL tournament? >>> >> >> Ask Celtic or Rangers if they benefit. Of course they do, financially. > >Well they almost never play CL, so they don't benefit. That's why they >wanted to join the EPL, haven't they. To play in the stronger league, to >earn more money, and to become a factor in Europe. > What happens to them if they joined the Premier league and were relegated? And what happens to the rest of the Scottish Premier league? >> >>>If they/you form a single league and a single national team, yes, less >>>scotissh, welsh or irish teams would enter CL. >>>But those who'd enter would play a major role then, like Arsenal, United, >>>Chelsea, Liverpool play every year. >>> >> >> If there was one National league the CL teams would remain the same as >> they've been for over a decade. >> >>>But I guess some like to be content with small things, like Scottish, >>>Irish >>>or Welsh. Ocasionaly world cup campaigns, if any, poor league, and >>>non-contender role in UEFA champions league. >>> >>>Everybody would gain something, but the irony is, those who'd gain the >>>most, >>>are the ones who're most strongly against it, eg, Scotland, Ireland.. >>> >> >> What would they gain? >> RED DEVIL > >Great players like Ryan Giggs would play in the World Cup, he never played I >believe, and in general, Scottish, Irish and Welsh players would have a >hope of one day winning it. They have no hope now, they're just a world cup >decoration, even when they make it. Which is not that often anyway. > >And British team would be slightly stroner than English team. > Name the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Island players that would have improved England's squad in SA? I can think of only two, Darren Fletcher and Given and they would have sat on the bench (well maybe not Given). RED DEVIL
From: RED DEVIL on 29 Jun 2010 19:08 On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:02:49 -0700, "Bob" <Bob(a)Bob.com> wrote: >RED DEVIL wrote: >> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 14:26:29 -0700, "Bob" <Bob(a)Bob.com> wrote: >> >>> RED DEVIL wrote: >>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:31:14 -0700, "Bob" <Bob(a)Bob.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> MH wrote: >>>>>> Bob wrote: >>>>>>> RED DEVIL wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:20:49 -0700 (PDT), gsn >>>>>>>> <gsnarayanan(a)ymail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 11:27 am, RED DEVIL <manutd1...(a)bellsouth.net> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 05:12:47 -0700 (PDT), gsn >>>>>>>>>> <gsnaraya...(a)ymail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have not been keeping in touch with English football, >>>>>>>>>>> but is there a reason why Alex Ferguson is not considered for >>>>>>>>>>> England coach (with Beckham perhaps as assistant coach)? >>>>>>>>>>> Are there issues like politics, lack of interest on Fergie's >>>>>>>>>>> part? Looks like if anyone, Alex Ferguson can put together a >>>>>>>>>>> winning team. >>>>>>>>>>> gsn >>>>>>>>>> They offered it to him before Erikson and he laughed them off >>>>>>>>>> RED DEVIL >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wouldn't do it for country and the Queen ?! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> gsn >>>>>>>> It's not his country >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It seems like it is for most purpose. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> England is not. The UK is. He would be coaching England, not the >>>>>> UK. >>>>> >>>>> He doesn't need an English passport to coach England, and he seems >>>>> very well assimilated and accepted in England so I don't completely >>>>> see the problem. I could better understand if he was some kind of >>>>> rebel who advocated independence, but may be I am mistaken and he's >>>>> a fierce independentist? >>>>> >>>> >>>> There is no such thing as a "English Passport" >>> >>> which would appear to make my argument even stronger (if I really >>> cared one way or another) >>> >> You care enough to argue > >True enough, but it isn't saying very much since I also think arguing is >fun. Life would be terribly dull without it. In this case, I am a little >puzzled because I have sympathy for the Scotts yet I don't really understand >why Fergusson wouldn't do it. > Because he is a Scot and he has said that he has no interest in the job when it was offered to him. RED DEVIL
From: *skriptis, European Patriot on 29 Jun 2010 19:15 "RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:hluk26h1s837en2rmmsgvje4i3dhnb8gir(a)4ax.com... > On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:52:37 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot" > <skriptis(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote: > >> >>"RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>news:aqtk26dai4grtm857g4j2g0e7jqjsuvlr3(a)4ax.com... >>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:44:29 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot" >>> <skriptis(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>>>news:hamk26hlnfflhdqcjegmk4ns0fka1ii1et(a)4ax.com... >>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:48:32 +0100, Mehdi <Benny(a)soccer-europe.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> > Subject : England coach >>>>>> > From : grassynoel(a)iinet.net.au >>>>>> >>>>>>> This business of the UK being allowed to field four teams is stupid. >>>>>>> The >>>>>>> UK has been one country for far longer than Italy or Germany, to >>>>>>> give >>>>>>> just two examples. IFAB needs to be restructured or abolished, too. >>>>>> >>>>>>Agreed. The national associations should have equal power, the >>>>>>decision >>>>>>making should not be shared by 4+4. Of course you do know that this >>>>>>situation is entirely the fault of the British FAs - for giving FIFA >>>>>>voting rights. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As usual Benny doesn't have a clue. It's not about voting rights it's >>>>> about the very existance of the UK countries FA's. If there was a UK >>>>> FA then there wouldn't be an England, Scotland, Wales or Northern >>>>> Ireland FA. It would also cut back the number of CL entries. >>>> >>>>Like Welsh, N. Irish or Sccotish teams benefit from having a CL entry? >>>>When did last time a team from any of those countries play a major role >>>>in >>>>a >>>>CL tournament? >>>> >>> >>> Ask Celtic or Rangers if they benefit. Of course they do, financially. >> >>Well they almost never play CL, so they don't benefit. That's why they >>wanted to join the EPL, haven't they. To play in the stronger league, to >>earn more money, and to become a factor in Europe. >> > > > What happens to them if they joined the Premier league and were > relegated? And what happens to the rest of the Scottish Premier > league? Well that's why they reject them in November....too many unknowns. But Celtic and Ranger are big clubs, they suffer playing in a small league. The whole UK should have a single league, not just them joining EPL. >>>>If they/you form a single league and a single national team, yes, less >>>>scotissh, welsh or irish teams would enter CL. >>>>But those who'd enter would play a major role then, like Arsenal, >>>>United, >>>>Chelsea, Liverpool play every year. >>>> >>> >>> If there was one National league the CL teams would remain the same as >>> they've been for over a decade. >>> >>>>But I guess some like to be content with small things, like Scottish, >>>>Irish >>>>or Welsh. Ocasionaly world cup campaigns, if any, poor league, and >>>>non-contender role in UEFA champions league. >>>> >>>>Everybody would gain something, but the irony is, those who'd gain the >>>>most, >>>>are the ones who're most strongly against it, eg, Scotland, Ireland.. >>>> >>> >>> What would they gain? >>> RED DEVIL >> >>Great players like Ryan Giggs would play in the World Cup, he never played >>I >>believe, and in general, Scottish, Irish and Welsh players would have a >>hope of one day winning it. They have no hope now, they're just a world >>cup >>decoration, even when they make it. Which is not that often anyway. >> >>And British team would be slightly stroner than English team. >> > Name the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Island players that would have > improved England's squad in SA? > I can think of only two, Darren Fletcher and Given and they would > have sat on the bench (well maybe not Given). > Given is more than enough, with Given, Britain beats USA and finishes #1 in their group, changing the whole tournament.....
From: RED DEVIL on 29 Jun 2010 19:32
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 01:15:44 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot" <skriptis(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote: > >"RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message >news:hluk26h1s837en2rmmsgvje4i3dhnb8gir(a)4ax.com... >> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:52:37 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot" >> <skriptis(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote: >> >>> >>>"RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>>news:aqtk26dai4grtm857g4j2g0e7jqjsuvlr3(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:44:29 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot" >>>> <skriptis(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>"RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>>>>news:hamk26hlnfflhdqcjegmk4ns0fka1ii1et(a)4ax.com... >>>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:48:32 +0100, Mehdi <Benny(a)soccer-europe.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> > Subject : England coach >>>>>>> > From : grassynoel(a)iinet.net.au >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This business of the UK being allowed to field four teams is stupid. >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>> UK has been one country for far longer than Italy or Germany, to >>>>>>>> give >>>>>>>> just two examples. IFAB needs to be restructured or abolished, too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Agreed. The national associations should have equal power, the >>>>>>>decision >>>>>>>making should not be shared by 4+4. Of course you do know that this >>>>>>>situation is entirely the fault of the British FAs - for giving FIFA >>>>>>>voting rights. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As usual Benny doesn't have a clue. It's not about voting rights it's >>>>>> about the very existance of the UK countries FA's. If there was a UK >>>>>> FA then there wouldn't be an England, Scotland, Wales or Northern >>>>>> Ireland FA. It would also cut back the number of CL entries. >>>>> >>>>>Like Welsh, N. Irish or Sccotish teams benefit from having a CL entry? >>>>>When did last time a team from any of those countries play a major role >>>>>in >>>>>a >>>>>CL tournament? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Ask Celtic or Rangers if they benefit. Of course they do, financially. >>> >>>Well they almost never play CL, so they don't benefit. That's why they >>>wanted to join the EPL, haven't they. To play in the stronger league, to >>>earn more money, and to become a factor in Europe. >>> >> >> >> What happens to them if they joined the Premier league and were >> relegated? And what happens to the rest of the Scottish Premier >> league? > >Well that's why they reject them in November....too many unknowns. >But Celtic and Ranger are big clubs, they suffer playing in a small league. >The whole UK should have a single league, not just them joining EPL. > > > > >>>>>If they/you form a single league and a single national team, yes, less >>>>>scotissh, welsh or irish teams would enter CL. >>>>>But those who'd enter would play a major role then, like Arsenal, >>>>>United, >>>>>Chelsea, Liverpool play every year. >>>>> >>>> >>>> If there was one National league the CL teams would remain the same as >>>> they've been for over a decade. >>>> >>>>>But I guess some like to be content with small things, like Scottish, >>>>>Irish >>>>>or Welsh. Ocasionaly world cup campaigns, if any, poor league, and >>>>>non-contender role in UEFA champions league. >>>>> >>>>>Everybody would gain something, but the irony is, those who'd gain the >>>>>most, >>>>>are the ones who're most strongly against it, eg, Scotland, Ireland.. >>>>> >>>> >>>> What would they gain? >>>> RED DEVIL >>> >>>Great players like Ryan Giggs would play in the World Cup, he never played >>>I >>>believe, and in general, Scottish, Irish and Welsh players would have a >>>hope of one day winning it. They have no hope now, they're just a world >>>cup >>>decoration, even when they make it. Which is not that often anyway. >>> >>>And British team would be slightly stroner than English team. >>> >> Name the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Island players that would have >> improved England's squad in SA? >> I can think of only two, Darren Fletcher and Given and they would >> have sat on the bench (well maybe not Given). >> > >Given is more than enough, with Given, Britain beats USA and finishes #1 in >their group, changing the whole tournament..... > With James in goal the same thing happens... RED DEVIL |