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From: Jellore on 30 Jun 2010 04:59 On Jun 30, 4:05 am, "Bob" <B...(a)Bob.com> wrote: > MH wrote: > > Manx Gunner wrote: > >> [RED DEVIL <manutd1...(a)bellsouth.net>] > >> [Tue, 29 Jun 2010 12:21:51 -0400] > > >>> It's not his country > > >> He should drop the 'Sir' silliness, then. > > > Why ? A knighthood can be given to many commonwealth citizens as far > > as I know. (Sir Edmund Hilary springs to mind). She is our Queen > > too. > > > The UK is Alex Ferguson's country of citizenship. England most > > definitely is not. > > Hasn't Scotland been occupied by England for eons? Like an order of > magnitude longer than Latvia has been independent? I know the distinction > matters to Scottish people but from the outside it seems like a matter of > semantics. You need a lesson in history Bob. England has never occupied Scotland, not then and not now.
From: Jellore on 30 Jun 2010 05:00 On Jun 30, 4:31 am, "Bob" <B...(a)Bob.com> wrote: > MH wrote: > > Bob wrote: > >> RED DEVIL wrote: > >>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:20:49 -0700 (PDT), gsn > >>> <gsnaraya...(a)ymail.com> wrote: > > >>>> On Jun 29, 11:27 am, RED DEVIL <manutd1...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > >>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 05:12:47 -0700 (PDT), gsn > >>>>> <gsnaraya...(a)ymail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>> I have not been keeping in touch with English football, but > >>>>>> is there a reason why Alex Ferguson is not considered for England > >>>>>> coach (with Beckham perhaps as assistant coach)? > >>>>>> Are there issues like politics, lack of interest on Fergie's > >>>>>> part? Looks like if anyone, Alex Ferguson can put together a > >>>>>> winning team. > >>>>>> gsn > >>>>> They offered it to him before Erikson and he laughed them off > >>>>> RED DEVIL > > >>>> Wouldn't do it for country and the Queen ?! > > >>>> gsn > >>> It's not his country > > >> It seems like it is for most purpose. > > > England is not. The UK is. He would be coaching England, not the UK. > > He doesn't need an English passport to coach England, and he seems very well > assimilated and accepted in England so I don't completely see the problem.. I > could better understand if he was some kind of rebel who advocated > independence, but may be I am mistaken and he's a fierce independentist?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - No such thing as an English passport Bob.
From: Jellore on 30 Jun 2010 05:05 On Jun 30, 9:06 am, RED DEVIL <manutd1...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:52:37 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot" > > > > > > <skrip...(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote: > > >"RED DEVIL" <manutd1...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message > >news:aqtk26dai4grtm857g4j2g0e7jqjsuvlr3(a)4ax.com... > >> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:44:29 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot" > >> <skrip...(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote: > > >>>"RED DEVIL" <manutd1...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message > >>>news:hamk26hlnfflhdqcjegmk4ns0fka1ii1et(a)4ax.com... > >>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:48:32 +0100, Mehdi <Be...(a)soccer-europe.com> > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > Subject : England coach > >>>>> > From : grassyn...(a)iinet.net.au > > >>>>>> This business of the UK being allowed to field four teams is stupid. > >>>>>> The > >>>>>> UK has been one country for far longer than Italy or Germany, to give > >>>>>> just two examples. IFAB needs to be restructured or abolished, too.. > > >>>>>Agreed. The national associations should have equal power, the decision > >>>>>making should not be shared by 4+4. Of course you do know that this > >>>>>situation is entirely the fault of the British FAs - for giving FIFA > >>>>>voting rights. > > >>>> As usual Benny doesn't have a clue. It's not about voting rights it's > >>>> about the very existance of the UK countries FA's. If there was a UK > >>>> FA then there wouldn't be an England, Scotland, Wales or Northern > >>>> Ireland FA. It would also cut back the number of CL entries. > > >>>Like Welsh, N. Irish or Sccotish teams benefit from having a CL entry? > >>>When did last time a team from any of those countries play a major role in > >>>a > >>>CL tournament? > > >> Ask Celtic or Rangers if they benefit. Of course they do, financially. > > >Well they almost never play CL, so they don't benefit. That's why they > >wanted to join the EPL, haven't they. To play in the stronger league, to > >earn more money, and to become a factor in Europe. > > What happens to them if they joined the Premier league and were > relegated? And what happens to the rest of the Scottish Premier > league? > > > > > > > > >>>If they/you form a single league and a single national team, yes, less > >>>scotissh, welsh or irish teams would enter CL. > >>>But those who'd enter would play a major role then, like Arsenal, United, > >>>Chelsea, Liverpool play every year. > > >> If there was one National league the CL teams would remain the same as > >> they've been for over a decade. > > >>>But I guess some like to be content with small things, like Scottish, > >>>Irish > >>>or Welsh. Ocasionaly world cup campaigns, if any, poor league, and > >>>non-contender role in UEFA champions league. > > >>>Everybody would gain something, but the irony is, those who'd gain the > >>>most, > >>>are the ones who're most strongly against it, eg, Scotland, Ireland.. > > >> What would they gain? > >> RED DEVIL > > >Great players like Ryan Giggs would play in the World Cup, he never played I > >believe, and in general, Scottish, Irish and Welsh players would have a > >hope of one day winning it. They have no hope now, they're just a world cup > >decoration, even when they make it. Which is not that often anyway. > > >And British team would be slightly stroner than English team. > > Name the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Island players that would have > improved England's squad in SA? > I can think of only two, Darren Fletcher and Given and they would > have sat on the bench (well maybe not Given). > > RED DEVIL- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - How about Johnny Evans?
From: Jellore on 30 Jun 2010 05:05 On Jun 30, 9:15 am, "*skriptis, European Patriot" <skrip...(a)post.t- com.hr> wrote: > "RED DEVIL" <manutd1...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > news:hluk26h1s837en2rmmsgvje4i3dhnb8gir(a)4ax.com... > > > > > > > On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:52:37 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot" > > <skrip...(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote: > > >>"RED DEVIL" <manutd1...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message > >>news:aqtk26dai4grtm857g4j2g0e7jqjsuvlr3(a)4ax.com... > >>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:44:29 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot" > >>> <skrip...(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote: > > >>>>"RED DEVIL" <manutd1...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message > >>>>news:hamk26hlnfflhdqcjegmk4ns0fka1ii1et(a)4ax.com... > >>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:48:32 +0100, Mehdi <Be...(a)soccer-europe.com> > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > Subject : England coach > >>>>>> > From : grassyn...(a)iinet.net.au > > >>>>>>> This business of the UK being allowed to field four teams is stupid. > >>>>>>> The > >>>>>>> UK has been one country for far longer than Italy or Germany, to > >>>>>>> give > >>>>>>> just two examples. IFAB needs to be restructured or abolished, too. > > >>>>>>Agreed. The national associations should have equal power, the > >>>>>>decision > >>>>>>making should not be shared by 4+4. Of course you do know that this > >>>>>>situation is entirely the fault of the British FAs - for giving FIFA > >>>>>>voting rights. > > >>>>> As usual Benny doesn't have a clue. It's not about voting rights it's > >>>>> about the very existance of the UK countries FA's. If there was a UK > >>>>> FA then there wouldn't be an England, Scotland, Wales or Northern > >>>>> Ireland FA. It would also cut back the number of CL entries. > > >>>>Like Welsh, N. Irish or Sccotish teams benefit from having a CL entry? > >>>>When did last time a team from any of those countries play a major role > >>>>in > >>>>a > >>>>CL tournament? > > >>> Ask Celtic or Rangers if they benefit. Of course they do, financially.. > > >>Well they almost never play CL, so they don't benefit. That's why they > >>wanted to join the EPL, haven't they. To play in the stronger league, to > >>earn more money, and to become a factor in Europe. > > > What happens to them if they joined the Premier league and were > > relegated? And what happens to the rest of the Scottish Premier > > league? > > Well that's why they reject them in November....too many unknowns. > But Celtic and Ranger are big clubs, they suffer playing in a small league. > The whole UK should have a single league, not just them joining EPL. > > > > > > >>>>If they/you form a single league and a single national team, yes, less > >>>>scotissh, welsh or irish teams would enter CL. > >>>>But those who'd enter would play a major role then, like Arsenal, > >>>>United, > >>>>Chelsea, Liverpool play every year. > > >>> If there was one National league the CL teams would remain the same as > >>> they've been for over a decade. > > >>>>But I guess some like to be content with small things, like Scottish, > >>>>Irish > >>>>or Welsh. Ocasionaly world cup campaigns, if any, poor league, and > >>>>non-contender role in UEFA champions league. > > >>>>Everybody would gain something, but the irony is, those who'd gain the > >>>>most, > >>>>are the ones who're most strongly against it, eg, Scotland, Ireland.. > > >>> What would they gain? > >>> RED DEVIL > > >>Great players like Ryan Giggs would play in the World Cup, he never played > >>I > >>believe, and in general, Scottish, Irish and Welsh players would have a > >>hope of one day winning it. They have no hope now, they're just a world > >>cup > >>decoration, even when they make it. Which is not that often anyway. > > >>And British team would be slightly stroner than English team. > > > Name the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Island players that would have > > improved England's squad in SA? > > I can think of only two, Darren Fletcher and Given and they would > > have sat on the bench (well maybe not Given). > > Given is more than enough, with Given, Britain beats USA and finishes #1 in > their group, changing the whole tournament.....- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Although Given is Irish. He is not a British citizen.
From: gsn on 30 Jun 2010 05:52
On Jun 30, 5:00 am, Jellore <jell...(a)bigpond.com> wrote: > On Jun 30, 4:31 am, "Bob" <B...(a)Bob.com> wrote: > > > > > MH wrote: > > > Bob wrote: > > >> RED DEVIL wrote: > > >>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:20:49 -0700 (PDT), gsn > > >>> <gsnaraya...(a)ymail.com> wrote: > > > >>>> On Jun 29, 11:27 am, RED DEVIL <manutd1...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > >>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 05:12:47 -0700 (PDT), gsn > > >>>>> <gsnaraya...(a)ymail.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>> I have not been keeping in touch with English football, but > > >>>>>> is there a reason why Alex Ferguson is not considered for England > > >>>>>> coach (with Beckham perhaps as assistant coach)? > > >>>>>> Are there issues like politics, lack of interest on Fergie's > > >>>>>> part? Looks like if anyone, Alex Ferguson can put together a > > >>>>>> winning team. > > >>>>>> gsn > > >>>>> They offered it to him before Erikson and he laughed them off > > >>>>> RED DEVIL > > > >>>> Wouldn't do it for country and the Queen ?! > > > >>>> gsn > > >>> It's not his country > > > >> It seems like it is for most purpose. > > > > England is not. The UK is. He would be coaching England, not the UK. > > > He doesn't need an English passport to coach England, and he seems very well > > assimilated and accepted in England so I don't completely see the problem. I > > could better understand if he was some kind of rebel who advocated > > independence, but may be I am mistaken and he's a fierce independentist?- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > No such thing as an English passport Bob. Out of curiosity, do Northern Ireland residents (are they called Northern Irish?) carry British passports? If I remember right from high school geography, UK = Great Britain + NI , so are NI people seperate? regards gsn |