From: Bob on 29 Jun 2010 19:47 RED DEVIL wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:02:49 -0700, "Bob" <Bob(a)Bob.com> wrote: > >> RED DEVIL wrote: >>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 14:26:29 -0700, "Bob" <Bob(a)Bob.com> wrote: >>> >>>> RED DEVIL wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:31:14 -0700, "Bob" <Bob(a)Bob.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> MH wrote: >>>>>>> Bob wrote: >>>>>>>> RED DEVIL wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:20:49 -0700 (PDT), gsn >>>>>>>>> <gsnarayanan(a)ymail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 11:27 am, RED DEVIL <manutd1...(a)bellsouth.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 05:12:47 -0700 (PDT), gsn >>>>>>>>>>> <gsnaraya...(a)ymail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have not been keeping in touch with English >>>>>>>>>>>> football, but is there a reason why Alex Ferguson is not >>>>>>>>>>>> considered for England coach (with Beckham perhaps as >>>>>>>>>>>> assistant coach)? >>>>>>>>>>>> Are there issues like politics, lack of interest on >>>>>>>>>>>> Fergie's part? Looks like if anyone, Alex Ferguson can >>>>>>>>>>>> put together a winning team. >>>>>>>>>>>> gsn >>>>>>>>>>> They offered it to him before Erikson and he laughed them >>>>>>>>>>> off RED DEVIL >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't do it for country and the Queen ?! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> gsn >>>>>>>>> It's not his country >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It seems like it is for most purpose. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> England is not. The UK is. He would be coaching England, not the >>>>>>> UK. >>>>>> >>>>>> He doesn't need an English passport to coach England, and he >>>>>> seems very well assimilated and accepted in England so I don't >>>>>> completely see the problem. I could better understand if he was >>>>>> some kind of rebel who advocated independence, but may be I am >>>>>> mistaken and he's a fierce independentist? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There is no such thing as a "English Passport" >>>> >>>> which would appear to make my argument even stronger (if I really >>>> cared one way or another) >>>> >>> You care enough to argue >> >> True enough, but it isn't saying very much since I also think >> arguing is fun. Life would be terribly dull without it. In this >> case, I am a little puzzled because I have sympathy for the Scotts >> yet I don't really understand why Fergusson wouldn't do it. >> > Because he is a Scot and he has said that he has no interest in the > job when it was offered to him. I believe you said that several times already.
From: MH on 29 Jun 2010 19:36 RED DEVIL wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:52:37 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot" > <skriptis(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote: > >> "RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> news:aqtk26dai4grtm857g4j2g0e7jqjsuvlr3(a)4ax.com... >>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:44:29 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot" >>> <skriptis(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote: >>> >>>> "RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>>> news:hamk26hlnfflhdqcjegmk4ns0fka1ii1et(a)4ax.com... >>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:48:32 +0100, Mehdi <Benny(a)soccer-europe.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> Subject : England coach >>>>>>> From : grassynoel(a)iinet.net.au >>>>>>> This business of the UK being allowed to field four teams is stupid. >>>>>>> The >>>>>>> UK has been one country for far longer than Italy or Germany, to give >>>>>>> just two examples. IFAB needs to be restructured or abolished, too. >>>>>> Agreed. The national associations should have equal power, the decision >>>>>> making should not be shared by 4+4. Of course you do know that this >>>>>> situation is entirely the fault of the British FAs - for giving FIFA >>>>>> voting rights. >>>>> >>>>> As usual Benny doesn't have a clue. It's not about voting rights it's >>>>> about the very existance of the UK countries FA's. If there was a UK >>>>> FA then there wouldn't be an England, Scotland, Wales or Northern >>>>> Ireland FA. It would also cut back the number of CL entries. >>>> Like Welsh, N. Irish or Sccotish teams benefit from having a CL entry? >>>> When did last time a team from any of those countries play a major role in >>>> a >>>> CL tournament? >>>> >>> Ask Celtic or Rangers if they benefit. Of course they do, financially. >> Well they almost never play CL, so they don't benefit. That's why they >> wanted to join the EPL, haven't they. To play in the stronger league, to >> earn more money, and to become a factor in Europe. >> > > > What happens to them if they joined the Premier league and were > relegated? And what happens to the rest of the Scottish Premier > league? > >>>> If they/you form a single league and a single national team, yes, less >>>> scotissh, welsh or irish teams would enter CL. >>>> But those who'd enter would play a major role then, like Arsenal, United, >>>> Chelsea, Liverpool play every year. >>>> >>> If there was one National league the CL teams would remain the same as >>> they've been for over a decade. >>> >>>> But I guess some like to be content with small things, like Scottish, >>>> Irish >>>> or Welsh. Ocasionaly world cup campaigns, if any, poor league, and >>>> non-contender role in UEFA champions league. >>>> >>>> Everybody would gain something, but the irony is, those who'd gain the >>>> most, >>>> are the ones who're most strongly against it, eg, Scotland, Ireland.. >>>> >>> What would they gain? >>> RED DEVIL >> Great players like Ryan Giggs would play in the World Cup, he never played I >> believe, and in general, Scottish, Irish and Welsh players would have a >> hope of one day winning it. They have no hope now, they're just a world cup >> decoration, even when they make it. Which is not that often anyway. >> >> And British team would be slightly stroner than English team. >> > Name the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Island players that would have > improved England's squad in SA? > I can think of only two, Darren Fletcher and Given Given is not a N. Ireland player. Craig Gordon would have done better than Green though. Possibly Maik Taylor as well, and maybe even Hennessy or Myhill. and they would > have sat on the bench (well maybe not Given). > > RED DEVIL
From: MH on 29 Jun 2010 19:37 *skriptis, European Patriot wrote: > "RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message > news:aqtk26dai4grtm857g4j2g0e7jqjsuvlr3(a)4ax.com... >> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:44:29 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot" >> <skriptis(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote: >> >>> "RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>> news:hamk26hlnfflhdqcjegmk4ns0fka1ii1et(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:48:32 +0100, Mehdi <Benny(a)soccer-europe.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Subject : England coach >>>>>> From : grassynoel(a)iinet.net.au >>>>>> This business of the UK being allowed to field four teams is stupid. >>>>>> The >>>>>> UK has been one country for far longer than Italy or Germany, to give >>>>>> just two examples. IFAB needs to be restructured or abolished, too. >>>>> Agreed. The national associations should have equal power, the decision >>>>> making should not be shared by 4+4. Of course you do know that this >>>>> situation is entirely the fault of the British FAs - for giving FIFA >>>>> voting rights. >>>> >>>> As usual Benny doesn't have a clue. It's not about voting rights it's >>>> about the very existance of the UK countries FA's. If there was a UK >>>> FA then there wouldn't be an England, Scotland, Wales or Northern >>>> Ireland FA. It would also cut back the number of CL entries. >>> Like Welsh, N. Irish or Sccotish teams benefit from having a CL entry? >>> When did last time a team from any of those countries play a major role in >>> a >>> CL tournament? Celtic and Rangers have both reached the knockout stages in recent years. >>> >> Ask Celtic or Rangers if they benefit. Of course they do, financially. > > Well they almost never play CL, so they don't benefit. That's why they > wanted to join the EPL, haven't they. To play in the stronger league, to > earn more money, and to become a factor in Europe. > >>> If they/you form a single league and a single national team, yes, less >>> scotissh, welsh or irish teams would enter CL. >>> But those who'd enter would play a major role then, like Arsenal, United, >>> Chelsea, Liverpool play every year. >>> >> If there was one National league the CL teams would remain the same as >> they've been for over a decade. >> >>> But I guess some like to be content with small things, like Scottish, >>> Irish >>> or Welsh. Ocasionaly world cup campaigns, if any, poor league, and >>> non-contender role in UEFA champions league. >>> >>> Everybody would gain something, but the irony is, those who'd gain the >>> most, >>> are the ones who're most strongly against it, eg, Scotland, Ireland.. >>> >> What would they gain? >> RED DEVIL > > Great players like Ryan Giggs would play in the World Cup, he never played I > believe, and in general, Scottish, Irish and Welsh players would have a > hope of one day winning it. They have no hope now, they're just a world cup > decoration, even when they make it. Which is not that often anyway. > > And British team would be slightly stroner than English team. > >
From: RED DEVIL on 29 Jun 2010 22:04 On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 17:36:59 -0600, MH <MHnospam(a)ucalgary.ca> wrote: >RED DEVIL wrote: >> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:52:37 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot" >> <skriptis(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote: >> >>> "RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>> news:aqtk26dai4grtm857g4j2g0e7jqjsuvlr3(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:44:29 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot" >>>> <skriptis(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:hamk26hlnfflhdqcjegmk4ns0fka1ii1et(a)4ax.com... >>>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:48:32 +0100, Mehdi <Benny(a)soccer-europe.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Subject : England coach >>>>>>>> From : grassynoel(a)iinet.net.au >>>>>>>> This business of the UK being allowed to field four teams is stupid. >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>> UK has been one country for far longer than Italy or Germany, to give >>>>>>>> just two examples. IFAB needs to be restructured or abolished, too. >>>>>>> Agreed. The national associations should have equal power, the decision >>>>>>> making should not be shared by 4+4. Of course you do know that this >>>>>>> situation is entirely the fault of the British FAs - for giving FIFA >>>>>>> voting rights. >>>>>> >>>>>> As usual Benny doesn't have a clue. It's not about voting rights it's >>>>>> about the very existance of the UK countries FA's. If there was a UK >>>>>> FA then there wouldn't be an England, Scotland, Wales or Northern >>>>>> Ireland FA. It would also cut back the number of CL entries. >>>>> Like Welsh, N. Irish or Sccotish teams benefit from having a CL entry? >>>>> When did last time a team from any of those countries play a major role in >>>>> a >>>>> CL tournament? >>>>> >>>> Ask Celtic or Rangers if they benefit. Of course they do, financially. >>> Well they almost never play CL, so they don't benefit. That's why they >>> wanted to join the EPL, haven't they. To play in the stronger league, to >>> earn more money, and to become a factor in Europe. >>> >> >> >> What happens to them if they joined the Premier league and were >> relegated? And what happens to the rest of the Scottish Premier >> league? >> >>>>> If they/you form a single league and a single national team, yes, less >>>>> scotissh, welsh or irish teams would enter CL. >>>>> But those who'd enter would play a major role then, like Arsenal, United, >>>>> Chelsea, Liverpool play every year. >>>>> >>>> If there was one National league the CL teams would remain the same as >>>> they've been for over a decade. >>>> >>>>> But I guess some like to be content with small things, like Scottish, >>>>> Irish >>>>> or Welsh. Ocasionaly world cup campaigns, if any, poor league, and >>>>> non-contender role in UEFA champions league. >>>>> >>>>> Everybody would gain something, but the irony is, those who'd gain the >>>>> most, >>>>> are the ones who're most strongly against it, eg, Scotland, Ireland.. >>>>> >>>> What would they gain? >>>> RED DEVIL >>> Great players like Ryan Giggs would play in the World Cup, he never played I >>> believe, and in general, Scottish, Irish and Welsh players would have a >>> hope of one day winning it. They have no hope now, they're just a world cup >>> decoration, even when they make it. Which is not that often anyway. >>> >>> And British team would be slightly stroner than English team. >>> >> Name the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Island players that would have >> improved England's squad in SA? >> I can think of only two, Darren Fletcher and Given > >Given is not a N. Ireland player. >Craig Gordon would have done better than Green though. Possibly Maik >Taylor as well, and maybe even Hennessy or Myhill. > >and they would >> have sat on the bench (well maybe not Given). >> >> RED DEVIL That's right, Given wouldn't have been eligible RED DEVIL
From: Jellore on 30 Jun 2010 04:56
On Jun 29, 10:12 pm, gsn <gsnaraya...(a)ymail.com> wrote: > I have not been keeping in touch with English football, but is > there a reason why Alex Ferguson is not considered for England coach > (with Beckham perhaps as assistant coach)? > Are there issues like politics, lack of interest on Fergie's part? > Looks like if anyone, Alex Ferguson can put together a winning team. > > gsn Maybe ten years ago, Ferguson that is. Too long in the tooth now. |