From: Bob on
RED DEVIL wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:02:49 -0700, "Bob" <Bob(a)Bob.com> wrote:
>
>> RED DEVIL wrote:
>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 14:26:29 -0700, "Bob" <Bob(a)Bob.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> RED DEVIL wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:31:14 -0700, "Bob" <Bob(a)Bob.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> MH wrote:
>>>>>>> Bob wrote:
>>>>>>>> RED DEVIL wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:20:49 -0700 (PDT), gsn
>>>>>>>>> <gsnarayanan(a)ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 11:27 am, RED DEVIL <manutd1...(a)bellsouth.net>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 05:12:47 -0700 (PDT), gsn
>>>>>>>>>>> <gsnaraya...(a)ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have not been keeping in touch with English
>>>>>>>>>>>> football, but is there a reason why Alex Ferguson is not
>>>>>>>>>>>> considered for England coach (with Beckham perhaps as
>>>>>>>>>>>> assistant coach)?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are there issues like politics, lack of interest on
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fergie's part? Looks like if anyone, Alex Ferguson can
>>>>>>>>>>>> put together a winning team.
>>>>>>>>>>>> gsn
>>>>>>>>>>> They offered it to him before Erikson and he laughed them
>>>>>>>>>>> off RED DEVIL
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't do it for country and the Queen ?!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> gsn
>>>>>>>>> It's not his country
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It seems like it is for most purpose.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> England is not. The UK is. He would be coaching England, not the
>>>>>>> UK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He doesn't need an English passport to coach England, and he
>>>>>> seems very well assimilated and accepted in England so I don't
>>>>>> completely see the problem. I could better understand if he was
>>>>>> some kind of rebel who advocated independence, but may be I am
>>>>>> mistaken and he's a fierce independentist?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no such thing as a "English Passport"
>>>>
>>>> which would appear to make my argument even stronger (if I really
>>>> cared one way or another)
>>>>
>>> You care enough to argue
>>
>> True enough, but it isn't saying very much since I also think
>> arguing is fun. Life would be terribly dull without it. In this
>> case, I am a little puzzled because I have sympathy for the Scotts
>> yet I don't really understand why Fergusson wouldn't do it.
>>
> Because he is a Scot and he has said that he has no interest in the
> job when it was offered to him.

I believe you said that several times already.


From: MH on
RED DEVIL wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:52:37 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot"
> <skriptis(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
>> "RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:aqtk26dai4grtm857g4j2g0e7jqjsuvlr3(a)4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:44:29 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot"
>>> <skriptis(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:hamk26hlnfflhdqcjegmk4ns0fka1ii1et(a)4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:48:32 +0100, Mehdi <Benny(a)soccer-europe.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Subject : England coach
>>>>>>> From : grassynoel(a)iinet.net.au
>>>>>>> This business of the UK being allowed to field four teams is stupid.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> UK has been one country for far longer than Italy or Germany, to give
>>>>>>> just two examples. IFAB needs to be restructured or abolished, too.
>>>>>> Agreed. The national associations should have equal power, the decision
>>>>>> making should not be shared by 4+4. Of course you do know that this
>>>>>> situation is entirely the fault of the British FAs - for giving FIFA
>>>>>> voting rights.
>>>>>
>>>>> As usual Benny doesn't have a clue. It's not about voting rights it's
>>>>> about the very existance of the UK countries FA's. If there was a UK
>>>>> FA then there wouldn't be an England, Scotland, Wales or Northern
>>>>> Ireland FA. It would also cut back the number of CL entries.
>>>> Like Welsh, N. Irish or Sccotish teams benefit from having a CL entry?
>>>> When did last time a team from any of those countries play a major role in
>>>> a
>>>> CL tournament?
>>>>
>>> Ask Celtic or Rangers if they benefit. Of course they do, financially.
>> Well they almost never play CL, so they don't benefit. That's why they
>> wanted to join the EPL, haven't they. To play in the stronger league, to
>> earn more money, and to become a factor in Europe.
>>
>
>
> What happens to them if they joined the Premier league and were
> relegated? And what happens to the rest of the Scottish Premier
> league?
>
>>>> If they/you form a single league and a single national team, yes, less
>>>> scotissh, welsh or irish teams would enter CL.
>>>> But those who'd enter would play a major role then, like Arsenal, United,
>>>> Chelsea, Liverpool play every year.
>>>>
>>> If there was one National league the CL teams would remain the same as
>>> they've been for over a decade.
>>>
>>>> But I guess some like to be content with small things, like Scottish,
>>>> Irish
>>>> or Welsh. Ocasionaly world cup campaigns, if any, poor league, and
>>>> non-contender role in UEFA champions league.
>>>>
>>>> Everybody would gain something, but the irony is, those who'd gain the
>>>> most,
>>>> are the ones who're most strongly against it, eg, Scotland, Ireland..
>>>>
>>> What would they gain?
>>> RED DEVIL
>> Great players like Ryan Giggs would play in the World Cup, he never played I
>> believe, and in general, Scottish, Irish and Welsh players would have a
>> hope of one day winning it. They have no hope now, they're just a world cup
>> decoration, even when they make it. Which is not that often anyway.
>>
>> And British team would be slightly stroner than English team.
>>
> Name the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Island players that would have
> improved England's squad in SA?
> I can think of only two, Darren Fletcher and Given

Given is not a N. Ireland player.
Craig Gordon would have done better than Green though. Possibly Maik
Taylor as well, and maybe even Hennessy or Myhill.

and they would
> have sat on the bench (well maybe not Given).
>
> RED DEVIL
From: MH on
*skriptis, European Patriot wrote:
> "RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:aqtk26dai4grtm857g4j2g0e7jqjsuvlr3(a)4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:44:29 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot"
>> <skriptis(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>
>>> "RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:hamk26hlnfflhdqcjegmk4ns0fka1ii1et(a)4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:48:32 +0100, Mehdi <Benny(a)soccer-europe.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Subject : England coach
>>>>>> From : grassynoel(a)iinet.net.au
>>>>>> This business of the UK being allowed to field four teams is stupid.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> UK has been one country for far longer than Italy or Germany, to give
>>>>>> just two examples. IFAB needs to be restructured or abolished, too.
>>>>> Agreed. The national associations should have equal power, the decision
>>>>> making should not be shared by 4+4. Of course you do know that this
>>>>> situation is entirely the fault of the British FAs - for giving FIFA
>>>>> voting rights.
>>>>
>>>> As usual Benny doesn't have a clue. It's not about voting rights it's
>>>> about the very existance of the UK countries FA's. If there was a UK
>>>> FA then there wouldn't be an England, Scotland, Wales or Northern
>>>> Ireland FA. It would also cut back the number of CL entries.
>>> Like Welsh, N. Irish or Sccotish teams benefit from having a CL entry?
>>> When did last time a team from any of those countries play a major role in
>>> a
>>> CL tournament?

Celtic and Rangers have both reached the knockout stages in recent years.
>>>
>> Ask Celtic or Rangers if they benefit. Of course they do, financially.
>
> Well they almost never play CL, so they don't benefit. That's why they
> wanted to join the EPL, haven't they. To play in the stronger league, to
> earn more money, and to become a factor in Europe.
>
>>> If they/you form a single league and a single national team, yes, less
>>> scotissh, welsh or irish teams would enter CL.
>>> But those who'd enter would play a major role then, like Arsenal, United,
>>> Chelsea, Liverpool play every year.
>>>
>> If there was one National league the CL teams would remain the same as
>> they've been for over a decade.
>>
>>> But I guess some like to be content with small things, like Scottish,
>>> Irish
>>> or Welsh. Ocasionaly world cup campaigns, if any, poor league, and
>>> non-contender role in UEFA champions league.
>>>
>>> Everybody would gain something, but the irony is, those who'd gain the
>>> most,
>>> are the ones who're most strongly against it, eg, Scotland, Ireland..
>>>
>> What would they gain?
>> RED DEVIL
>
> Great players like Ryan Giggs would play in the World Cup, he never played I
> believe, and in general, Scottish, Irish and Welsh players would have a
> hope of one day winning it. They have no hope now, they're just a world cup
> decoration, even when they make it. Which is not that often anyway.
>
> And British team would be slightly stroner than English team.
>
>
From: RED DEVIL on
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 17:36:59 -0600, MH <MHnospam(a)ucalgary.ca> wrote:

>RED DEVIL wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:52:37 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot"
>> <skriptis(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>
>>> "RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:aqtk26dai4grtm857g4j2g0e7jqjsuvlr3(a)4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:44:29 +0200, "*skriptis, European Patriot"
>>>> <skriptis(a)post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:hamk26hlnfflhdqcjegmk4ns0fka1ii1et(a)4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:48:32 +0100, Mehdi <Benny(a)soccer-europe.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Subject : England coach
>>>>>>>> From : grassynoel(a)iinet.net.au
>>>>>>>> This business of the UK being allowed to field four teams is stupid.
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> UK has been one country for far longer than Italy or Germany, to give
>>>>>>>> just two examples. IFAB needs to be restructured or abolished, too.
>>>>>>> Agreed. The national associations should have equal power, the decision
>>>>>>> making should not be shared by 4+4. Of course you do know that this
>>>>>>> situation is entirely the fault of the British FAs - for giving FIFA
>>>>>>> voting rights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As usual Benny doesn't have a clue. It's not about voting rights it's
>>>>>> about the very existance of the UK countries FA's. If there was a UK
>>>>>> FA then there wouldn't be an England, Scotland, Wales or Northern
>>>>>> Ireland FA. It would also cut back the number of CL entries.
>>>>> Like Welsh, N. Irish or Sccotish teams benefit from having a CL entry?
>>>>> When did last time a team from any of those countries play a major role in
>>>>> a
>>>>> CL tournament?
>>>>>
>>>> Ask Celtic or Rangers if they benefit. Of course they do, financially.
>>> Well they almost never play CL, so they don't benefit. That's why they
>>> wanted to join the EPL, haven't they. To play in the stronger league, to
>>> earn more money, and to become a factor in Europe.
>>>
>>
>>
>> What happens to them if they joined the Premier league and were
>> relegated? And what happens to the rest of the Scottish Premier
>> league?
>>
>>>>> If they/you form a single league and a single national team, yes, less
>>>>> scotissh, welsh or irish teams would enter CL.
>>>>> But those who'd enter would play a major role then, like Arsenal, United,
>>>>> Chelsea, Liverpool play every year.
>>>>>
>>>> If there was one National league the CL teams would remain the same as
>>>> they've been for over a decade.
>>>>
>>>>> But I guess some like to be content with small things, like Scottish,
>>>>> Irish
>>>>> or Welsh. Ocasionaly world cup campaigns, if any, poor league, and
>>>>> non-contender role in UEFA champions league.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everybody would gain something, but the irony is, those who'd gain the
>>>>> most,
>>>>> are the ones who're most strongly against it, eg, Scotland, Ireland..
>>>>>
>>>> What would they gain?
>>>> RED DEVIL
>>> Great players like Ryan Giggs would play in the World Cup, he never played I
>>> believe, and in general, Scottish, Irish and Welsh players would have a
>>> hope of one day winning it. They have no hope now, they're just a world cup
>>> decoration, even when they make it. Which is not that often anyway.
>>>
>>> And British team would be slightly stroner than English team.
>>>
>> Name the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Island players that would have
>> improved England's squad in SA?
>> I can think of only two, Darren Fletcher and Given
>
>Given is not a N. Ireland player.
>Craig Gordon would have done better than Green though. Possibly Maik
>Taylor as well, and maybe even Hennessy or Myhill.
>
>and they would
>> have sat on the bench (well maybe not Given).
>>
>> RED DEVIL

That's right, Given wouldn't have been eligible
RED DEVIL
From: Jellore on
On Jun 29, 10:12 pm, gsn <gsnaraya...(a)ymail.com> wrote:
>        I have not been keeping in touch with English football, but is
> there a reason why Alex Ferguson is not considered for England coach
> (with Beckham perhaps as assistant coach)?
> Are there issues like politics, lack of interest on Fergie's part?
> Looks like if anyone,  Alex Ferguson can put together a winning team.
>
> gsn

Maybe ten years ago, Ferguson that is. Too long in the tooth now.