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From: William Clark on 27 Jun 2010 12:58
In article <MPG.269187d847e28e1c9896b0(a)news.giganews.com>,
Manx Gunner <goal(a)4thegunners!.com> wrote:

> [Diabolik <diabolik(a)nospam.com>]
> [Sun, 27 Jun 2010 16:07:11 GMT]
>
> : > Gotta love the hypocrites on the BBC. When the USA were screwed over -
> : > TWICE - they all tutted at the outrage and said 'That's football, and
> : > the Americans just don't get that the referee is part of the game.'
> : >
> : > Now, with England screwed, suddenly things have changed. Heh.
> :
> : The difference is this is one of the biggest screw ups in WC.
>
> The one against the USA altered a result by 2 points.
>
> The one today didn't alter the outcome.

Perhaps, but it certainly changed the momentum of the game.
From: Mart van de Wege on 27 Jun 2010 13:11
"Diabolik" <diabolik(a)nospam.com> writes:

> "Manx Gunner" <goal(a)4thegunners!.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.269187d847e28e1c9896b0(a)news.giganews.com...
>> [Diabolik <diabolik(a)nospam.com>]
>> [Sun, 27 Jun 2010 16:07:11 GMT]
>>
>> : > Gotta love the hypocrites on the BBC. When the USA were screwed
>> over -
>> : > TWICE - they all tutted at the outrage and said 'That's football, and
>> : > the Americans just don't get that the referee is part of the game.'
>> : >
>> : > Now, with England screwed, suddenly things have changed. Heh.
>> :
>> : The difference is this is one of the biggest screw ups in WC.
>>
>> The one against the USA altered a result by 2 points.
>>
>> The one today didn't alter the outcome.
>
> Of course it altered the outcome.
>
> 2-2 would have been a different game. The pressure would have been off
> England.

Have you seen how utterly awful the English defence was?

2-2 wouldn't have saved them. They were making amateur-level mistakes.

Mart

--
"We will need a longer wall when the revolution comes."
--- AJS, quoting an uncertain source.
From: Jussi Uosukainen on 27 Jun 2010 14:43
Bob <Bob(a)bob.com> wrote:

> Absolutely. Changing managers will make a world of difference. Or keep
> Capello but pay him 10 times more.
>
The terrible showing by France has apparently broken something inside
your soul. Hopefully it can be mended.

Anyhow, there is a difference in a team losing to a better team and
being outplaed by better players. But what happened to france can easily
be attributed to the lack of control Domenech had, how (in addition to
being tactically clueless and unable to get the best out of the talented
pool he had) he never had the respect and command of the players. So
yes, the abject failure of france can be attributed to Domenech, and
everyone but you seems to know this...

--
/jussi
You're perfect, yes, it's true
But without me you're only you
From: Bob on 27 Jun 2010 15:41
Jussi Uosukainen wrote:
> Bob <Bob(a)bob.com> wrote:
>
>> Absolutely. Changing managers will make a world of difference. Or
>> keep Capello but pay him 10 times more.
>>
> The terrible showing by France has apparently broken something inside
> your soul. Hopefully it can be mended.

Dude, I haven't changed one iota. As I have said many times here, I am not a
fan of any team.

>
> Anyhow, there is a difference in a team losing to a better team and
> being outplaed by better players. But what happened to france can
> easily be attributed to the lack of control Domenech had

I hate to get again into this debate but DOmenech being in control woul
dhave been a miracle after 6 years of media bashing

, how (in
> addition to being tactically clueless

we just witnessed the tactical savvyness of Capello too =)

> and unable to get the best out
> of the talented pool he had) he never had the respect and command of
> the players. So yes, the abject failure of france can be attributed
> to Domenech, and everyone but you seems to know this...

As I said several times I was for replacing Doemench before it got to this
but you are delusional to think that Capello has less responsibility than
Domenech.


From: Florian on 27 Jun 2010 15:38
Jussi Uosukainen <juso(a)iki.fi> wrote:

> So
> yes, the abject failure of france can be attributed to Domenech, and
> everyone but you seems to know this...

The French Federation, the players, the media, Domenech, they all
failed.

--
Florian
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