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From: Jesper Lauridsen on 24 Jun 2010 09:09 On 2010-06-22, HASM <netnews(a)invalid.com> wrote: > Dwight Beers <hdbeers(a)gmail.com> writes: > >> Ok, I'll try this one more time: >> >> The goal line is the line that extends between the left goal post and the >> right goal post. >> >> The "end line" is the line that extends between the left (or right) goal >> post and the corner post. > > And you're a bit confused right away. There's no "end line" in soccer. > The "goal line" extends between the corner flags". From Law 1, The Field: > > Field markings > The field of play must be rectangular and marked with lines. These lines > belong to the areas of which they are boundaries. > The two longer boundary lines are called touch lines. The two shorter lines > are called goal lines. And even if there was a goal line and an end line, what significance would that have for an offside call? I really can't make sense of Dwight here.
From: Diabolik on 24 Jun 2010 09:23 "Jesper Lauridsen" <rorschak(a)sorrystofanet.dk> wrote in message news:hvvldp$p6v$2(a)news.eternal-september.org... > On 2010-06-22, HASM <netnews(a)invalid.com> wrote: >> Dwight Beers <hdbeers(a)gmail.com> writes: >> >>> Ok, I'll try this one more time: >>> >>> The goal line is the line that extends between the left goal post and >>> the >>> right goal post. >>> >>> The "end line" is the line that extends between the left (or right) goal >>> post and the corner post. >> >> And you're a bit confused right away. There's no "end line" in soccer. >> The "goal line" extends between the corner flags". From Law 1, The >> Field: >> >> Field markings >> The field of play must be rectangular and marked with lines. These >> lines >> belong to the areas of which they are boundaries. >> The two longer boundary lines are called touch lines. The two shorter >> lines >> are called goal lines. > > And even if there was a goal line and an end line, what significance would > that have for an offside call? I really can't make sense of Dwight here. You can't make sense of him because he doesn't know what he's talking about. It's simple really.
From: Dwight Beers on 24 Jun 2010 11:17 On 06/24/2010 06:09 AM, Jesper Lauridsen wrote: > On 2010-06-22, HASM<netnews(a)invalid.com> wrote: >> Dwight Beers<hdbeers(a)gmail.com> writes: >> >>> Ok, I'll try this one more time: >>> >>> The goal line is the line that extends between the left goal post and the >>> right goal post. >>> >>> The "end line" is the line that extends between the left (or right) goal >>> post and the corner post. >> >> And you're a bit confused right away. There's no "end line" in soccer. >> The "goal line" extends between the corner flags". From Law 1, The Field: >> >> Field markings >> The field of play must be rectangular and marked with lines. These lines >> belong to the areas of which they are boundaries. >> The two longer boundary lines are called touch lines. The two shorter lines >> are called goal lines. > > And even if there was a goal line and an end line, what significance would > that have for an offside call? I really can't make sense of Dwight here. > I'll try this one more time then: Think of Smeltz's position as letter A in a triangle ABC, and then think of the point where the goal line intersects with the left goal post as letter B, and then think of the point where the goal line intersects with the right goal post as letter C. Thus: ---B---------gk--------C_________(endline)___________________D(C Flag) A (Smeltz) Now, when the ball was struck where were the Italian defenders? It seems to me perfectly clear that all of them were either on or within the triangle ABC. Further, if everyone of the defenders had been within the triangle ACD, he WOULD have been offside. With apologies to Euclid, if I've gotten the geometry wrong.:-)
From: Clément on 24 Jun 2010 11:26 On Jun 24, 12:17 pm, Dwight Beers wrote: > > Now, when the ball was struck where were the Italian defenders? This is the only question that needs to be asked. And the only doubt about whether Smeltz was or was not offside is determining the moment in which the ball was struck to Smeltz. If the ball was struck directly from the free kick, then he was not offside, as there were more than one Italian players between Smeltz and the end/goal line. If the ball was deflected by Reid's header, than that becomes the moment we have to check. Assuming Reid deflected the ball, then Smeltz was offside, since there were less than two Italian defenders between him and the end/goal line then. The only question here is whether Reid deflected the ball, or not. Abraço, Luiz Mello
From: Clément on 24 Jun 2010 11:38
On Jun 24, 12:32 pm, anders t wrote: > Quoting Cl ment in rec.sport.soccer: > > >The only question here is whether Reid deflected the ball, or not. > > I thought that was already confirmed. Surely I can't be the only one here > to have seen the decisive camera angle? Does Swedish TV have own cameras > there? From the angles I watched, I also think we have a confirmation. I just didn't want to go down that path, as any verdict is likely to raise reactions from either side, based mostly on people's bias. I was just trying to argue that this issue is really simple, and there's no need to complicate it. Either you think it was deflected by Reid, or you don't. There are no other possibilities. And either way, it was a really tough call for the refs. Anyway they had called it, they couldn't be blamed. Abraço, Luiz Mello |