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From: Bruce D. Scott on 10 Jun 2010 00:39 Joachim Parsch (ah(a)bunuel.franken.de) wrote: : If I had been posed this question before looking things up, : I would have actually guessed 1938. But the answer is 1958, Ahh, my birth year. So Schalke were champions that May and Germany sent a team without Bayern players that Summer, and in the Fall I was born. Afterward, the World is in Order :-) : which is unsurprising given that in 1954/55 Bayern was : relegated the only time in history (with 1954 world champion : Hans Bauer still in the squad). On the other hand, : they came back the next season, and won the cup in 57, so : there must have been some candidates. : Quite a shame, that Sepp Herberger was stubborn enough : to keep the squad Bayern-free :-) : Joachim -- ciao, Bruce drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
From: Lleo on 10 Jun 2010 00:47 On 10 jun, 00:13, MH <MHnos...(a)ucalgary.ca> wrote: > Lleo wrote: > > On 9 jun, 12:06, Werner Pichler <wpich...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 9 Jun., 14:16, Joachim Parsch <s...(a)bunuel.franken.de> wrote: > >>> So we've got more trivia coming here :-) > >> Oooh, intriguing... :) > > >> I went through the WC finals and came up with this interesting > >> list: > > >> Clubs, whose players featured in a WC final: > >> (number of players, substitutions included, and no > >> guarantee that there are no mistakes) > > >> 1 Juventus 26 > >> 2 Internazionale 23 > >> 3 Bayern M nchen 22 > >> 4 AC Milan 15 > >> 5 AS Roma 13 > >> 6 1. FC K ln 12 > >> 7 Botafogo 10 > > > Three in 1958, five in 1962, one in 1970 and one in... 1998! > > >> 8 Slavia Praha, Vasco, 1. FC Kaiserslautern, River Plate 8 > > > For Vasco: five in 1950 and three in 1958. > > > Very interesting list, Werner! > > >> The record for most players in a WC final is held by > >> Slavia Prague with 8. The other 3 players in the 1934 > >> final came from their town rivals Sparta. > > >> Some more trivia: > > >> - only twice in WC history has a team in a WC final > >> been composed of players from 11 (or more, including > >> substitutions) different teams, so without any club > >> colleagues (which could account for some of the more, > >> ahem, disjointed performances of at least one of these > >> teams). > > > My guesses are Argentina 1990 and... dunno, Sweden 1958? > > Brazil in 2002 ? It seems to me they had players from all over in their > startng lineup. > > Inter - Ronaldo > PSG - Ronaldinho > Barca - Rivaldo > Roma -Cafu > Real - Roberto Carlos > Betis - Denilson (on as sub) > Bayer Leverkusen - Lucio > Lyon ? - Edmilson > Milan ? - Roque Junior > > The three Brazil based players (Marcos, Kleberson, Gilberto Silva) all > played for different teams too I think (wasn't Marco Palmeiras ? Not > sure about the others). Kleberson played for Atlético Paranaense, Gilberto Silva for Atlético Mineiro. And there was also Juninho (subbed in at 85'), who played for Flamengo. Indeed, this looks about right. So what is the other team then? :-) -- Lléo
From: Werner Pichler on 10 Jun 2010 01:59 On 9 Jun., 18:14, MH <MHnos...(a)ucalgary.ca> wrote: > Werner Pichler wrote: > > Some more trivia: > > > - only twice in WC history has a team in a WC final > > been composed of players from 11 (or more, including > > substitutions) different teams, so without any club > > colleagues (which could account for some of the more, > > ahem, disjointed performances of at least one of these > > teams). As has been noted in other posts, the correct answer is indeed Argentina 1990 and Brazil 2002. Sweden 1958 came close, but for two Örgryte players (Gren, who had just returned from and Simonsson, who hadn't yet embarked on his international career) > > - Real Madrid has sent 6 different players to World Cup > > finals, while Barcelona sent 4. Can you name them? > > My guesses: > > Real: Zidane, Stieleke, Karembeu, Roberto Carlos, Valdano, .... ? > > Barca: Cruyff, Rivaldo, Romario, Neeskens Yes, these are all correct. (Stiel*i*ke though, minor quibble). The also mentioned Dugarry had left Barcelona for Marseille during the winter break before the WC. So all that remains to be guessed is the sixth Real player! Ciao, Werner
From: MH on 10 Jun 2010 12:17 Bruce D. Scott wrote: > Joachim Parsch (ah(a)bunuel.franken.de) wrote: > > : If I had been posed this question before looking things up, > : I would have actually guessed 1938. But the answer is 1958, > > Ahh, my birth year. So Schalke were champions that May and Germany sent > a team without Bayern players that Summer, and in the Fall I was born. Me too. October 6th, 1958 to be exact. > Afterward, the World is in Order :-) > > : which is unsurprising given that in 1954/55 Bayern was > : relegated the only time in history (with 1954 world champion > : Hans Bauer still in the squad). On the other hand, > : they came back the next season, and won the cup in 57, so > : there must have been some candidates. > > : Quite a shame, that Sepp Herberger was stubborn enough > : to keep the squad Bayern-free :-) > > : Joachim > > -- > ciao, > Bruce > > drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
From: MH on 10 Jun 2010 12:14
Lleo wrote: > On 10 jun, 00:13, MH <MHnos...(a)ucalgary.ca> wrote: >> Lleo wrote: >>> On 9 jun, 12:06, Werner Pichler <wpich...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 9 Jun., 14:16, Joachim Parsch <s...(a)bunuel.franken.de> wrote: >>>>> So we've got more trivia coming here :-) >>>> Oooh, intriguing... :) >>>> I went through the WC finals and came up with this interesting >>>> list: >>>> Clubs, whose players featured in a WC final: >>>> (number of players, substitutions included, and no >>>> guarantee that there are no mistakes) >>>> 1 Juventus 26 >>>> 2 Internazionale 23 >>>> 3 Bayern M nchen 22 >>>> 4 AC Milan 15 >>>> 5 AS Roma 13 >>>> 6 1. FC K ln 12 >>>> 7 Botafogo 10 >>> Three in 1958, five in 1962, one in 1970 and one in... 1998! >>>> 8 Slavia Praha, Vasco, 1. FC Kaiserslautern, River Plate 8 >>> For Vasco: five in 1950 and three in 1958. >>> Very interesting list, Werner! >>>> The record for most players in a WC final is held by >>>> Slavia Prague with 8. The other 3 players in the 1934 >>>> final came from their town rivals Sparta. >>>> Some more trivia: >>>> - only twice in WC history has a team in a WC final >>>> been composed of players from 11 (or more, including >>>> substitutions) different teams, so without any club >>>> colleagues (which could account for some of the more, >>>> ahem, disjointed performances of at least one of these >>>> teams). >>> My guesses are Argentina 1990 and... dunno, Sweden 1958? >> Brazil in 2002 ? It seems to me they had players from all over in their >> startng lineup. >> >> Inter - Ronaldo >> PSG - Ronaldinho >> Barca - Rivaldo >> Roma -Cafu >> Real - Roberto Carlos >> Betis - Denilson (on as sub) >> Bayer Leverkusen - Lucio >> Lyon ? - Edmilson >> Milan ? - Roque Junior >> >> The three Brazil based players (Marcos, Kleberson, Gilberto Silva) all >> played for different teams too I think (wasn't Marco Palmeiras ? Not >> sure about the others). > > Kleberson played for Atl�tico Paranaense, Gilberto Silva for Atl�tico > Mineiro. And there was also Juninho (subbed in at 85'), who played for > Flamengo. > > Indeed, this looks about right. So what is the other team then? :-) Argentina 1990 I think. Would not have been the case if not for all the suspensions, as I think their first choice 11 would have had two players from the same team (Giusti, Olarticoechea, Batista ?, Caniggia suspended) - : River: Batista, Serrizuela or Independiente: Monzon (came on as sub), Giusti or Udinese: Sensini, Balbo (injured ?) or maybe not. > > -- > Ll�o |