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From: MH on 9 Jun 2010 13:24 JK wrote: > MH wrote: >> Werner Pichler wrote: >>> On 9 Jun., 14:16, Joachim Parsch <s... (a)bunuel.franken.de> wrote:>>>> futbolmetrix schrieb: >>>> [Juventus] >>>> >>>>> 2006: Buffon, Cannavaro, Zambrotta, Camoranesi, Del Piero, Zidane, >>>>> Vieira, Trezeguet, and that's only in the final! >>>> Zidane doesn't count for Juve in 2006, as he played the season >>>> before for Real Madrid... >>>> >>>> But that's still seven players in the final, which is quite impressive. >>>> "Only" 5 in the starting line-up though, which is one less than >>>> Bayern had in 74. Those 6 equal Juves number of 1982, if I have counted >>>> correctly. >>>> >>>> So we've got more trivia coming here :-) >>> >>> >>> Oooh, intriguing... :) >>> >>> I went through the WC finals and came up with this interesting >>> list: >>> >>> Clubs, whose players featured in a WC final: >>> (number of players, substitutions included, and no >>> guarantee that there are no mistakes) >>> >>> 1 Juventus 26 >>> 2 Internazionale 23 >>> 3 Bayern M�nchen 22 >>> 4 AC Milan 15 >>> 5 AS Roma 13 >>> 6 1. FC K�ln 12 >>> 7 Botafogo 10 >>> 8 Slavia Praha, Vasco, 1. FC Kaiserslautern, River Plate 8 >>> >>> >>> The record for most players in a WC final is held by >>> Slavia Prague with 8. The other 3 players in the 1934 >>> final came from their town rivals Sparta. >>> >>> >>> Some more trivia: >>> >>> - only twice in WC history has a team in a WC final >>> been composed of players from 11 (or more, including >>> substitutions) different teams, so without any club >>> colleagues (which could account for some of the more, >>> ahem, disjointed performances of at least one of these >>> teams). >>> >>> - Real Madrid has sent 6 different players to World Cup >>> finals, while Barcelona sent 4. Can you name them? >> >> My guesses: >> >> Real: Zidane, Stieleke, Karembeu, Roberto Carlos, Valdano, .... ? >> >> Barca: Cruyff, Rivaldo, Romario, Neeskens >> > > But Cruyff wasn't at Barca when he played in the finals, correct? Yes he was. Sold to Barca in summer of 1973. > > Maradona was at Napoli already in 86 yes? Yes, > >> >>> (I should add that in each case one player played in two >>> finals) Roberto Carlos and Rivaldo, for sure. >>> >>> >>> >>> Ciao, >>> Werner
From: Joachim Parsch on 9 Jun 2010 14:52 Werner Pichler wrote: > I went through the WC finals and came up with this interesting > list: > > Clubs, whose players featured in a WC final: > (number of players, substitutions included, and no > guarantee that there are no mistakes) > > 1 Juventus 26 > 2 Internazionale 23 > 3 Bayern M�nchen 22 So but for the unfortunate incidents in the 2006 semifinal, Bayern would have actually topped this list? I must disagree with Daniele, football does suck, even when you for a moment think it doesn't. Anyway, for Bayern it was, without checking: 1930 - 1962: none 1966: 1 (Beckenbauer) 1970: none 1974: 6 (Maier, Beckenbauer, G. M�ller, U. Hoene�, Schwarzenbeck, Breitner) 1978: none 1982: 3 (Breitner, Rummenigge, Dremmler) 1986: 4 (Eder, Matth�us, Brehme, D. Hoene�) 1990: 2 (Augenthaler, Kohler) 1994: 1 (Jorginho) 1998: 1 (Lizarazu) 2002: 3 (Kahn, Linke, Jeremies) 2006: 1 (Sagnol) This adds up to... 22. Could be right, but I'm not sure of Brehme in 86. ....ok, Brehme is wrong, and I forgot about that substitution. Anyway, so Bayern has a streak of 7 consecutive finals. Now can some village club from this mediterranian dwarf state top *this*?!? > - Real Madrid has sent 6 different players to World Cup > finals, while Barcelona sent 4. Can you name them? Real: Stielike, Valdano, R. Carlos, Zidane... Barca: Cruyff, Rivaldo... Where did Mario Kempes play in 78? Joachim
From: Joachim Parsch on 9 Jun 2010 15:00 MH wrote: > > Joachim Parsch wrote: > > Ok, first the easy answer: Bayern Munich has > > 16 appearances in the squad, all 16 times they > > appeared on the field as well (no pure tourists here). > > Trivia question: which 3 WCs was Bayern missing? > > Two are obviously trivial, but the third isn't - though > > German readers with a bit of knowledge of football > > history should be able to guess. > > My guess off the top of my head would be 1954, with 1958 my second > choice, and 1962 my third. Obviously you remember the 1932 championship of Bayern well :-) If I had been posed this question before looking things up, I would have actually guessed 1938. But the answer is 1958, which is unsurprising given that in 1954/55 Bayern was relegated the only time in history (with 1954 world champion Hans Bauer still in the squad). On the other hand, they came back the next season, and won the cup in 57, so there must have been some candidates. Quite a shame, that Sepp Herberger was stubborn enough to keep the squad Bayern-free :-) Joachim
From: MH on 9 Jun 2010 15:36 Joachim Parsch wrote: > > MH wrote: >> Joachim Parsch wrote: >>> Ok, first the easy answer: Bayern Munich has >>> 16 appearances in the squad, all 16 times they >>> appeared on the field as well (no pure tourists here). >>> Trivia question: which 3 WCs was Bayern missing? >>> Two are obviously trivial, but the third isn't - though >>> German readers with a bit of knowledge of football >>> history should be able to guess. >> My guess off the top of my head would be 1954, with 1958 my second >> choice, and 1962 my third. > > Obviously you remember the 1932 championship of Bayern well :-) > > If I had been posed this question before looking things up, > I would have actually guessed 1938. But the answer is 1958, > which is unsurprising given that in 1954/55 Bayern was > relegated the only time in history (with 1954 world champion > Hans Bauer still in the squad). On the other hand, > they came back the next season, and won the cup in 57, so > there must have been some candidates. > > Quite a shame, that Sepp Herberger was stubborn enough > to keep the squad Bayern-free :-) I did check after submitting my answer. Only one Bayern player in the squad in both 1954 and 1962, I think. > > Joachim
From: MH on 9 Jun 2010 15:40
Joachim Parsch wrote: > > Werner Pichler wrote: > >> I went through the WC finals and came up with this interesting >> list: >> >> Clubs, whose players featured in a WC final: >> (number of players, substitutions included, and no >> guarantee that there are no mistakes) >> >> 1 Juventus 26 >> 2 Internazionale 23 >> 3 Bayern M�nchen 22 > > So but for the unfortunate incidents in the 2006 semifinal, > Bayern would have actually topped this list? I must disagree > with Daniele, football does suck, even when you for a moment > think it doesn't. > > Anyway, for Bayern it was, without checking: > 1930 - 1962: none > 1966: 1 (Beckenbauer) > 1970: none > 1974: 6 (Maier, Beckenbauer, G. M�ller, U. Hoene�, Schwarzenbeck, Breitner) > 1978: none > 1982: 3 (Breitner, Rummenigge, Dremmler) > 1986: 4 (Eder, Matth�us, Brehme, D. Hoene�) > 1990: 2 (Augenthaler, Kohler) > 1994: 1 (Jorginho) > 1998: 1 (Lizarazu) > 2002: 3 (Kahn, Linke, Jeremies) > 2006: 1 (Sagnol) > > This adds up to... 22. Could be right, but I'm not sure of > Brehme in 86. > > ...ok, Brehme is wrong, and I forgot about that substitution. > > Anyway, so Bayern has a streak of 7 consecutive finals. > Now can some village club from this mediterranian > dwarf state top *this*?!? > >> - Real Madrid has sent 6 different players to World Cup >> finals, while Barcelona sent 4. Can you name them? > > Real: Stielike, Valdano, R. Carlos, Zidane... > Barca: Cruyff, Rivaldo... > > Where did Mario Kempes play in 78? Valencia I think ? > > Joachim |