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From: Joachim Parsch on 9 Jun 2010 08:16 futbolmetrix schrieb: [Juventus] > 2006: Buffon, Cannavaro, Zambrotta, Camoranesi, Del Piero, Zidane, > Vieira, Trezeguet, and that's only in the final! Zidane doesn't count for Juve in 2006, as he played the season before for Real Madrid... But that's still seven players in the final, which is quite impressive. "Only" 5 in the starting line-up though, which is one less than Bayern had in 74. Those 6 equal Juves number of 1982, if I have counted correctly. So we've got more trivia coming here :-) Bayer Leverkusen had 4 in 2002, which would have been 5 but for Ballack's yellow card. Joachim
From: futbolmetrix on 9 Jun 2010 08:32 On Jun 9, 2:54 pm, futbolmetrix <daniele.paser...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > 1934: Combi, Rosetta, Caligaris, Monti, Orsi, Borel and Varglien > 1938: Ferrari (?), Varglien(?) Ferrari was no longer at Juve, and Varglien was from the 1934 squad. Add however Foni and Rava. > 1950: Boniperti, Parola(?), Sentimenti(?) Check on Boniperti and Parola. Sentimenti was no longer at Juve. Add Muccinelli and Mari. > 1954: Boniperti(?), maybe others check on Boniperti. Add Viola, Muccinelli, Ferrario and Mari. > 1958: John Charles Yep. > 1962: Sivori, maybe others Sivori and Mora. > 1966: ? Three players on the squad: Anzolin, Leoncini and Salvadore, I think only the latter got playing time. But then you should also add Del Sol for Spain. > 1970: Salvadore(?) This was close. Salvadore was dropped at the last minute from the WC squad. The only Juve player in the squad was Furino, and I think he didn't play. But there was Haller for West Germany. > 1974: Capello, Causio(?) Drop the question mark from Causio. Also Zoff, Spinosi, Morini, Anastasi. > 1978: Almost the whole Italian starting 11 For the record: Zoff, Gentile, Cuccureddu, Cabrini, Scirea, Causio, Tardelli, Benetti, Bettega > 1982: The majority of the Italian starting 11 Zoff, Gentile, Cabrini, Scirea, Tardelli and Rossi > 1986: Scirea, Cabrini, Tardelli, Platini Also Laudrup and Serena. Tardelli was no longer at Juve. > 1990: Schillaci, De Agostini (also Marocchi and Tacconi, but I think > they didn't play) Also Aleinikov and Zavarov. > 1994: R. Baggio, D.Baggio, Kohler, Reuter(?) Moeller instead of Reuter. Add Conte. > 1998: Del Piero, Pessotto, Di Livio, Deschamps, Zidane, probably > others Add Torricelli, Inzaghi, Davids. > 2002: Buffon, Iuliano, Zambrotta, Del Piero, Trezeguet, , probably > others Thuram, Carini, Montero. > 2006: Buffon, Cannavaro, Zambrotta, Camoranesi, Del Piero, Zidane, > Vieira, Trezeguet, and that's only in the final! > Emerson, Kovac, Tudor, Ibrahimovic, Nedved
From: futbolmetrix on 9 Jun 2010 08:35 On Jun 9, 3:16 pm, Joachim Parsch <s...(a)bunuel.franken.de> wrote: > futbolmetrix schrieb: > [Juventus] > > > 2006: Buffon, Cannavaro, Zambrotta, Camoranesi, Del Piero, Zidane, > > Vieira, Trezeguet, and that's only in the final! > > Zidane doesn't count for Juve in 2006, as he played the season > before for Real Madrid... Of course. I meant to say Thuram. > But that's still seven players in the final, which is quite impressive. Eight. Plus three Juve "rejects": Zidane, Henry, Perrotta > "Only" 5 in the starting line-up though, which is one less than > Bayern had in 74. Six, when you add Thuram. > Those 6 equal Juves number of 1982, if I have counted > correctly. Yes, that is correct. D
From: Lleo on 9 Jun 2010 09:19 On 9 jun, 08:18, Joachim Parsch <s...(a)bunuel.franken.de> wrote: > Lleo schrieb: > > > > > On 9 jun, 07:41, Joachim Parsch <s...(a)bunuel.franken.de> wrote: > > > Anyway, that gives the following ranking at the moment: > > > > Number of WCs Number of players > > > > 1. Juve 17 ?? > > > Inter 17 > > > AC Milan 17 > > > 4. Botafogo 16 > > > 5. Flamengo 16 ?? > > > Bayern 16 > > > Sao Paulo 16 > > > > Tie breaker for places 1-3 or 4-7 should be number of players... > > Where I guess, that Bayern comes last - in the early WCs, they > usually only scraped in with one player. > > > I'm actually looking it up, for the Brasilian teams anyway :-) I had > > seen a list by number of players, which however double-counted players > > with multiple WC appearances (eg, Pel would count 4 times for Santos) > > Shouldn't he count 4 times? Michael Ballack for example should be counted > once for Bayer Leverkusen, and once for Bayern Munich. So it would be only fair > to the score of Santos, if Pele would be worth 4 points. Indeed, I agree. I just thought it would also be interesting to know the amount of different players each club has sent. I've just added up everything. This will slightly change the numbers in my previous post (due to foreign players, Corinthians and Palmeiras have actually been represented in 14 WC's), but the very top stays the same. Also, I didn't count São Paulo da Floresta as SPFC. However, if we want to count them, it's one more WC for São Paulo (1934) and four more players (and apps). The list below has the traditional top-12 teams in Brasil, ranked by (a) total amount of appearances (apps) in a WC squad, (b) amount of different players and (c) amount of WC's it was "represented" (be it for Brasil or another nt). 1 Botafogo 47 apps by 38 players, 16 WC's 2 São Paulo 46 apps by 38 players, 15 WC's 3 Flamengo 34 apps by 32 players, 16 WC's 4 Vasco 32 apps by 30 players, 11 WC's 5 Fluminense 31 apps by 24 players. 13 WC's 6 Palmeiras 29 apps by 23 players, 14 WC's 7 Corinthians 27 apps by 24 players, 14 WC's 8 Santos 26 apps by 17 players, 8 WC's 9 Cruzeiro 13 apps by 10 players, 8 WC's 10 Atlético-MG 12 apps by 11 players, 8 WC's 11 Internacional 11 apps by 11 players, 7 WC's 12 Grêmio 8 apps by 8 players, 6 WC's Below Grêmio you begin to see European teams. Roma and Milan would have 8 apps, Inter and Real Madrid 7, and so on. I believe this is the last time we'll see the big-12 occupying the top-12 spots of such a list, since the Brasilian NT is now (as it was in 2006) almost entirely foreign-based, a trend that apparently won't change anytime soon. Foreign NT's with Brasilian-based players in their WC roster: 1 Paraguay 9 apps by 7 players, 5 WC's 2 Uruguay 8 apps by 8 players, 3 WC's 3 Argentina 4 apps by 4 players, 3 WC's 4 Colombia 3 apps by 2 players, 2 WC's 5 Chile 2 apps by 2 players, 2 WC's > > and didn't consider players ceded to foreign national teams (eg, Abreu > > to Uruguay). I'll try to get something out of that and post here. > > Thanks for your effort! Thanks for this nice idea for a thread! -- Lléo
From: Werner Pichler on 9 Jun 2010 11:06
On 9 Jun., 14:16, Joachim Parsch <s...(a)bunuel.franken.de> wrote: > futbolmetrix schrieb: > [Juventus] > > > 2006: Buffon, Cannavaro, Zambrotta, Camoranesi, Del Piero, Zidane, > > Vieira, Trezeguet, and that's only in the final! > > Zidane doesn't count for Juve in 2006, as he played the season > before for Real Madrid... > > But that's still seven players in the final, which is quite impressive. > "Only" 5 in the starting line-up though, which is one less than > Bayern had in 74. Those 6 equal Juves number of 1982, if I have counted > correctly. > > So we've got more trivia coming here :-) Oooh, intriguing... :) I went through the WC finals and came up with this interesting list: Clubs, whose players featured in a WC final: (number of players, substitutions included, and no guarantee that there are no mistakes) 1 Juventus 26 2 Internazionale 23 3 Bayern München 22 4 AC Milan 15 5 AS Roma 13 6 1. FC Köln 12 7 Botafogo 10 8 Slavia Praha, Vasco, 1. FC Kaiserslautern, River Plate 8 The record for most players in a WC final is held by Slavia Prague with 8. The other 3 players in the 1934 final came from their town rivals Sparta. Some more trivia: - only twice in WC history has a team in a WC final been composed of players from 11 (or more, including substitutions) different teams, so without any club colleagues (which could account for some of the more, ahem, disjointed performances of at least one of these teams). - Real Madrid has sent 6 different players to World Cup finals, while Barcelona sent 4. Can you name them? (I should add that in each case one player played in two finals) Ciao, Werner |