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From: Lawrence Jenkins on 6 Jul 2010 18:17 "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:KdtYn.147448$Yb4.11737(a)hurricane... > > "Baldoni" <BaldoniXXV(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message > news:89f4ejF65hU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> Lawrence Jenkins submitted this idea : >>> "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:1c8Yn.38190$cJ6.6620(a)hurricane... >>>> >>>> "michael adams" <mjadams27(a)onetl.net.uk> wrote in message >>>> news:89cbmtFkdvU1(a)mid.individual.net... >>>>> >>>>> "johnbee" <johnbrockbank(a)com.invalid> wrote in message >>>>> news:i0qqp6$1oa$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>> >>>>>> < "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:FPNXn.75039$m87.58085(a)hurricane.. >>>>>> >>>>>> <leave Torres out, he's even more >>>>>> <of a passenger than Rooney >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh dear and you were going so well until then. At least Torres could >>>>>> be >>>>>> substituted, and he occasionally took part in the game while he was >>>>>> on. >>>>> >>>>> Agreed. He looked quite sharp at times, at least twice running the >>>>> long way >>>>> around defenders to the byline. He's just not had any luck with the >>>>> service >>>>> or the goals so far but he clearly doesn't lack the motivation. Just >>>>> that first ball in the back of the net and his confidence, fitness and >>>>> all round performance will improve 50% >>>> >>>> Yeah, that's what was said about Rooney..... >>>> >>>> I think Torres has been poor all through the WC, most objective >>>> opinions appear to agree. >>> >>> None of the expected 'best players in the world' have done much this >>> world cup and its not just the premiership players. Ronaldo fired blanks >>> as did Messi and the latter was in a squad that created chances. >> >> The Germans dealt with Messi perfectly, they pressed the Argentinians and >> this pressure pegged Messi into deep positions thus he was ineffective >> and not able to play the role that he does so well for Barca. They were >> quick to the tackle and smothered Messi and Co and gave them no space. >> Schweinsteiger was absolutely first class and the England players could >> learn a lot from him. > > Yes, the Germans are incredibly disciplined. If you watch their game v > Argentina, several times they left balls that they could have challenged > for (or won easily) in favour of staying in position. If the ball landed > in midfield midway between them and an Argie, the Germans didn't go for it > and kept their shape instead. > > It's impossible for them to keep up that level of discipline in my > opinion. The team that did best against Germany were Serbia, who also > played the counter, but defended strongly and Germany didn't seem to have > too many ideas against a packed defence and missed a penalty through > pressure. I don't reckon it'll take much to knock the Germans out of their > gameplan, if Spain go a goal up I don't see them coming back into it. If > del Bosque gets it right and his side produce, I can see Germany getting a > proper hammering, folding under pressure. I'll stick my neck out and tip > Spain to win by 2 clear goals. If Lampards goal had counted I feel the Germans game plan could have crumbled. >
From: RED DEVIL on 6 Jul 2010 18:42 On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 23:17:26 +0100, "Lawrence Jenkins" <lawrence13(a)sky.com> wrote: > >"Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >news:KdtYn.147448$Yb4.11737(a)hurricane... >> >> "Baldoni" <BaldoniXXV(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message >> news:89f4ejF65hU1(a)mid.individual.net... >>> Lawrence Jenkins submitted this idea : >>>> "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:1c8Yn.38190$cJ6.6620(a)hurricane... >>>>> >>>>> "michael adams" <mjadams27(a)onetl.net.uk> wrote in message >>>>> news:89cbmtFkdvU1(a)mid.individual.net... >>>>>> >>>>>> "johnbee" <johnbrockbank(a)com.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>> news:i0qqp6$1oa$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> < "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:FPNXn.75039$m87.58085(a)hurricane.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <leave Torres out, he's even more >>>>>>> <of a passenger than Rooney >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh dear and you were going so well until then. At least Torres could >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> substituted, and he occasionally took part in the game while he was >>>>>>> on. >>>>>> >>>>>> Agreed. He looked quite sharp at times, at least twice running the >>>>>> long way >>>>>> around defenders to the byline. He's just not had any luck with the >>>>>> service >>>>>> or the goals so far but he clearly doesn't lack the motivation. Just >>>>>> that first ball in the back of the net and his confidence, fitness and >>>>>> all round performance will improve 50% >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, that's what was said about Rooney..... >>>>> >>>>> I think Torres has been poor all through the WC, most objective >>>>> opinions appear to agree. >>>> >>>> None of the expected 'best players in the world' have done much this >>>> world cup and its not just the premiership players. Ronaldo fired blanks >>>> as did Messi and the latter was in a squad that created chances. >>> >>> The Germans dealt with Messi perfectly, they pressed the Argentinians and >>> this pressure pegged Messi into deep positions thus he was ineffective >>> and not able to play the role that he does so well for Barca. They were >>> quick to the tackle and smothered Messi and Co and gave them no space. >>> Schweinsteiger was absolutely first class and the England players could >>> learn a lot from him. >> >> Yes, the Germans are incredibly disciplined. If you watch their game v >> Argentina, several times they left balls that they could have challenged >> for (or won easily) in favour of staying in position. If the ball landed >> in midfield midway between them and an Argie, the Germans didn't go for it >> and kept their shape instead. >> >> It's impossible for them to keep up that level of discipline in my >> opinion. The team that did best against Germany were Serbia, who also >> played the counter, but defended strongly and Germany didn't seem to have >> too many ideas against a packed defence and missed a penalty through >> pressure. I don't reckon it'll take much to knock the Germans out of their >> gameplan, if Spain go a goal up I don't see them coming back into it. If >> del Bosque gets it right and his side produce, I can see Germany getting a >> proper hammering, folding under pressure. I'll stick my neck out and tip >> Spain to win by 2 clear goals. > >If Lampards goal had counted I feel the Germans game plan could have >crumbled. >> > If Lampard hadn't played England may have had a chance of beating them. RED DEVIL
From: CJM on 7 Jul 2010 06:49 "RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:19c736tfmcae6d25bc3j5cnpqmol8v3n8v(a)4ax.com... >> > If Lampard hadn't played England may have had a chance of beating > them. > Lampard was awful, but no worse than Defoe, Barry, Terry, ... etc. At least he got the ball over the line, which is more that could be said for Wazza, our star striker.
From: RED DEVIL on 7 Jul 2010 12:31 On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 11:49:23 +0100, "CJM" <cjmuk2008(a)gmail.removethis.com> wrote: > > >"RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message >news:19c736tfmcae6d25bc3j5cnpqmol8v3n8v(a)4ax.com... >>> >> If Lampard hadn't played England may have had a chance of beating >> them. >> > >Lampard was awful, but no worse than Defoe, Barry, Terry, ... etc. > >At least he got the ball over the line, which is more that could be said for >Wazza, our star striker. The problem with Lampard is/was all he does is to try and get the ball over the line (usually from about 30 yards out) while his job in the team is to provide the strikers with opportunities RED DEVIL
From: lescor on 8 Jul 2010 07:16
"RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:vpa936l1te3jl236se6h0d8ee6m9jd99ut(a)4ax.com... > On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 11:49:23 +0100, "CJM" > <cjmuk2008(a)gmail.removethis.com> wrote: > >> >> >>"RED DEVIL" <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>news:19c736tfmcae6d25bc3j5cnpqmol8v3n8v(a)4ax.com... >>>> >>> If Lampard hadn't played England may have had a chance of beating >>> them. >>> >> >>Lampard was awful, but no worse than Defoe, Barry, Terry, ... etc. >> >>At least he got the ball over the line, which is more that could be said >>for >>Wazza, our star striker. > > The problem with Lampard is/was all he does is to try and get the ball > over the line (usually from about 30 yards out) while his job in the > team is to provide the strikers with opportunities > RED DEVIL Cobblers! Lampard is not a sparkling ball player and never was, but he is sound, reliable, passes well ( often brilliantly) and makes few errors. He also scores goals from midfield, lots of them.....more than most EPL strikers.....and was one of the few English players to find anything close to his club form in the WC, a suggestion backed up by some of the newspaper hacks who rated him at the top of the bunch along with A Cole and the keeper. He "scored" against Germany, had a free kick which hit the bar and forced three saves from their keeper, one very lucky. This is more than any of our supposed front men managed added together. The leader of our leaderless side, Gerrard did his now customary headless chicken act and provided a lot of huff and puff plus three dribbled wide long range shots, whilst Rooney provided nothing, and Terry and most of the others were pretty poor. They all play without a system because they have never been given one, at least, not one which seems to go further than theoretical number patterns. Gerrard wanders wherever he thinks fit in the expectation that a rare ' Roy of The Rovers' moment will do the job as if he was still trying to do it all, like he has had to at Liverpool. Rooney seemed to be too uptight to play to his best but got very little help from wide players who performed below club level. Attacking midfielders need options, good attacking options from men who take up good positions. They also, for most of the time, have to be confident of their defence. Given the support which Lampard found in front and behind him, I think that he had a WC as good we should expect, certainly better than most of the others LC |