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From: Lawrence Jenkins on 5 Jul 2010 15:08 "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:1c8Yn.38190$cJ6.6620(a)hurricane... > > "michael adams" <mjadams27(a)onetl.net.uk> wrote in message > news:89cbmtFkdvU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> >> "johnbee" <johnbrockbank(a)com.invalid> wrote in message >> news:i0qqp6$1oa$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>> < "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:FPNXn.75039$m87.58085(a)hurricane.. >>> >>> <leave Torres out, he's even more >>> <of a passenger than Rooney >>> >>> Oh dear and you were going so well until then. At least Torres could be >>> substituted, and he occasionally took part in the game while he was on. >> >> Agreed. He looked quite sharp at times, at least twice running the long >> way >> around defenders to the byline. He's just not had any luck with the >> service >> or the goals so far but he clearly doesn't lack the motivation. Just >> that first ball in the back of the net and his confidence, fitness and >> all round performance will improve 50% > > Yeah, that's what was said about Rooney..... > > I think Torres has been poor all through the WC, most objective opinions > appear to agree. None of the expected 'best players in the world' have done much this world cup and its not just the premiership players. Ronaldo fired blanks as did Messi and the latter was in a squad that created chances.
From: Baldoni on 5 Jul 2010 18:25 Lawrence Jenkins submitted this idea : > "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1c8Yn.38190$cJ6.6620(a)hurricane... >> >> "michael adams" <mjadams27(a)onetl.net.uk> wrote in message >> news:89cbmtFkdvU1(a)mid.individual.net... >>> >>> "johnbee" <johnbrockbank(a)com.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:i0qqp6$1oa$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> >>>> < "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:FPNXn.75039$m87.58085(a)hurricane.. >>>> >>>> <leave Torres out, he's even more >>>> <of a passenger than Rooney >>>> >>>> Oh dear and you were going so well until then. At least Torres could be >>>> substituted, and he occasionally took part in the game while he was on. >>> >>> Agreed. He looked quite sharp at times, at least twice running the long >>> way >>> around defenders to the byline. He's just not had any luck with the >>> service >>> or the goals so far but he clearly doesn't lack the motivation. Just >>> that first ball in the back of the net and his confidence, fitness and >>> all round performance will improve 50% >> >> Yeah, that's what was said about Rooney..... >> >> I think Torres has been poor all through the WC, most objective opinions >> appear to agree. > > None of the expected 'best players in the world' have done much this world > cup and its not just the premiership players. Ronaldo fired blanks as did > Messi and the latter was in a squad that created chances. The Germans dealt with Messi perfectly, they pressed the Argentinians and this pressure pegged Messi into deep positions thus he was ineffective and not able to play the role that he does so well for Barca. They were quick to the tackle and smothered Messi and Co and gave them no space. Schweinsteiger was absolutely first class and the England players could learn a lot from him. -- Count Baldoni
From: Mentalguy2k8 on 5 Jul 2010 18:42 "Baldoni" <BaldoniXXV(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message news:89f4ejF65hU1(a)mid.individual.net... > Lawrence Jenkins submitted this idea : >> "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:1c8Yn.38190$cJ6.6620(a)hurricane... >>> >>> "michael adams" <mjadams27(a)onetl.net.uk> wrote in message >>> news:89cbmtFkdvU1(a)mid.individual.net... >>>> >>>> "johnbee" <johnbrockbank(a)com.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:i0qqp6$1oa$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>> >>>>> < "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:FPNXn.75039$m87.58085(a)hurricane.. >>>>> >>>>> <leave Torres out, he's even more >>>>> <of a passenger than Rooney >>>>> >>>>> Oh dear and you were going so well until then. At least Torres could >>>>> be >>>>> substituted, and he occasionally took part in the game while he was >>>>> on. >>>> >>>> Agreed. He looked quite sharp at times, at least twice running the long >>>> way >>>> around defenders to the byline. He's just not had any luck with the >>>> service >>>> or the goals so far but he clearly doesn't lack the motivation. Just >>>> that first ball in the back of the net and his confidence, fitness and >>>> all round performance will improve 50% >>> >>> Yeah, that's what was said about Rooney..... >>> >>> I think Torres has been poor all through the WC, most objective opinions >>> appear to agree. >> >> None of the expected 'best players in the world' have done much this >> world cup and its not just the premiership players. Ronaldo fired blanks >> as did Messi and the latter was in a squad that created chances. > > The Germans dealt with Messi perfectly, they pressed the Argentinians and > this pressure pegged Messi into deep positions thus he was ineffective > and not able to play the role that he does so well for Barca. They were > quick to the tackle and smothered Messi and Co and gave them no space. > Schweinsteiger was absolutely first class and the England players could > learn a lot from him. Yes, the Germans are incredibly disciplined. If you watch their game v Argentina, several times they left balls that they could have challenged for (or won easily) in favour of staying in position. If the ball landed in midfield midway between them and an Argie, the Germans didn't go for it and kept their shape instead. It's impossible for them to keep up that level of discipline in my opinion. The team that did best against Germany were Serbia, who also played the counter, but defended strongly and Germany didn't seem to have too many ideas against a packed defence and missed a penalty through pressure. I don't reckon it'll take much to knock the Germans out of their gameplan, if Spain go a goal up I don't see them coming back into it. If del Bosque gets it right and his side produce, I can see Germany getting a proper hammering, folding under pressure. I'll stick my neck out and tip Spain to win by 2 clear goals.
From: CJM on 6 Jul 2010 04:18 "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:KdtYn.147448$Yb4.11737(a)hurricane... > > It's impossible for them to keep up that level of discipline in my > opinion. The team that did best against Germany were Serbia, who also > played the counter, but defended strongly and Germany didn't seem to have > too many ideas against a packed defence and missed a penalty through > pressure. I don't reckon it'll take much to knock the Germans out of their > gameplan, if Spain go a goal up I don't see them coming back into it. If > del Bosque gets it right and his side produce, I can see Germany getting a > proper hammering, folding under pressure. I'll stick my neck out and tip > Spain to win by 2 clear goals. I hope you are right, but I'm not so sure... The Germans are more limited in ability than the Spanish by a country mile, but the advantage they have is that they are German - which means that they are arrogantly and monotonously robotic (read: confident and disciplined) and can find their way past vastly superior opponents with seaming ease. If the Spanish get a goal ahead, they can play keep-ball for the rest of the game, and 'the Boche' won't get a look in. If the Spanish don't lead in the first half (or indeed if Germany score first), they will come apart at the seams as they strain forward then get mugged on the counter.
From: Baldoni on 6 Jul 2010 08:13
Mentalguy2k8 formulated the question : > "Baldoni" <BaldoniXXV(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message > news:89f4ejF65hU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> Lawrence Jenkins submitted this idea : >>> "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:1c8Yn.38190$cJ6.6620(a)hurricane... >>>> >>>> "michael adams" <mjadams27(a)onetl.net.uk> wrote in message >>>> news:89cbmtFkdvU1(a)mid.individual.net... >>>>> >>>>> "johnbee" <johnbrockbank(a)com.invalid> wrote in message >>>>> news:i0qqp6$1oa$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>> >>>>>> < "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:FPNXn.75039$m87.58085(a)hurricane.. >>>>>> >>>>>> <leave Torres out, he's even more >>>>>> <of a passenger than Rooney >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh dear and you were going so well until then. At least Torres could >>>>>> be >>>>>> substituted, and he occasionally took part in the game while he was on. >>>>> >>>>> Agreed. He looked quite sharp at times, at least twice running the long >>>>> way >>>>> around defenders to the byline. He's just not had any luck with the >>>>> service >>>>> or the goals so far but he clearly doesn't lack the motivation. Just >>>>> that first ball in the back of the net and his confidence, fitness and >>>>> all round performance will improve 50% >>>> >>>> Yeah, that's what was said about Rooney..... >>>> >>>> I think Torres has been poor all through the WC, most objective opinions >>>> appear to agree. >>> >>> None of the expected 'best players in the world' have done much this world >>> cup and its not just the premiership players. Ronaldo fired blanks as did >>> Messi and the latter was in a squad that created chances. >> >> The Germans dealt with Messi perfectly, they pressed the Argentinians and >> this pressure pegged Messi into deep positions thus he was ineffective and >> not able to play the role that he does so well for Barca. They were quick >> to the tackle and smothered Messi and Co and gave them no space. >> Schweinsteiger was absolutely first class and the England players could >> learn a lot from him. > > Yes, the Germans are incredibly disciplined. If you watch their game v > Argentina, several times they left balls that they could have challenged for > (or won easily) in favour of staying in position. If the ball landed in > midfield midway between them and an Argie, the Germans didn't go for it and > kept their shape instead. Yes Mental the Germans kept things simple and their discipline was indeed the key factor for their success. They knew that Argentina had weakness in defence and when Argentina came forward chasing the game after the first goal they left themselves far too open and simple patient passing by the Germans allowed them more chances on goal to further their lead. > > It's impossible for them to keep up that level of discipline in my opinion. > The team that did best against Germany were Serbia, who also played the > counter, but defended strongly and Germany didn't seem to have too many ideas > against a packed defence and missed a penalty through pressure. I don't > reckon it'll take much to knock the Germans out of their gameplan, if Spain > go a goal up I don't see them coming back into it. If del Bosque gets it > right and his side produce, I can see Germany getting a proper hammering, > folding under pressure. I'll stick my neck out and tip Spain to win by 2 > clear goals. Anything can happen and one has to remember that Germany were defeated by Serbia 1-0 although I did not see that game and do not know how they performed. Spain have not set the World Cup alight but they are getting the job done and in Villa they have a man who knows where the back of the net is. He is always in the right place to capitalise on goal and they have excellent players in Iniesta, Xavi not to mention Alonso and Fabregas to create chances. Spain will be very hard to beat. -- Count Baldoni |