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From: johnbee on 4 Jul 2010 16:26 < "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:FPNXn.75039$m87.58085(a)hurricane.. <leave Torres out, he's even more <of a passenger than Rooney Oh dear and you were going so well until then. At least Torres could be substituted, and he occasionally took part in the game while he was on.
From: michael adams on 4 Jul 2010 17:11 "lescor" <lescorbett(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message news:1a-dnRwPc4Oj263RnZ2dnUVZ8s2dnZ2d(a)bt.com... > > > This failure to transform individuals into a good collective unit has been > our problem for as far back as I remember, and that is quite a distance. > The only exception was Ramsey's squad of '66. He was a true tactical giant > ( unlike some given the same title) who produced a side which broke from > the long tradition of playing with two wide attacking wingers ( marked by > two wide full backs ) by playing with none! Sorry can't agree. Ramsay had the great advantage that the 1st divison at that time, comprised mainly of English players, with a lesser number of Scottish players and one or two players from Wales and NI. The very fact that Ramsey could leave Jimmy Greaves out of the side showed the wealth of talent he had at his disposal as compared with today. He also had a big advantage in having the backbone of Moore, Peters, and Hurst who played together every week under Greenwood. At that time the England team carried no passengers and the likes of Banks and Charlton were easily among the best in the World. But nothing to do with Ramsey And yet despite all that, and despite playing all their games at home at Wembley, (and don't mention that linesman) the degree to which they only scraped home in many of their matches by a single goal comes as quite a surprise. As it didn't seem like that at the time. We only had B/W at the time and had to watch the colour film at the cinema which came out a good bit later IIRR. Nowadays the Premiership is the big moneyspinner which pays the players wages. That's what people pay top money to watch, week in and week out. Not Internationals, unlike in rugby. And nothing is going to change that. Many of the "star" players are clearly knackered from their own domestic league and cup and Champions League games. It's not just physical it's mental as well. Having to stay concentrated and motivated, maybe being asked to playing in a completely different style and role, in a team often made up of players who they only ever see a few days in the year. michael adams .... > > > > > > > > > > >
From: michael adams on 4 Jul 2010 17:11 "johnbee" <johnbrockbank(a)com.invalid> wrote in message news:i0qqp6$1oa$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > < "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:FPNXn.75039$m87.58085(a)hurricane.. > > <leave Torres out, he's even more > <of a passenger than Rooney > > Oh dear and you were going so well until then. At least Torres could be > substituted, and he occasionally took part in the game while he was on. Agreed. He looked quite sharp at times, at least twice running the long way around defenders to the byline. He's just not had any luck with the service or the goals so far but he clearly doesn't lack the motivation. Just that first ball in the back of the net and his confidence, fitness and all round performance will improve 50% michael adams .... >
From: Mentalguy2k8 on 4 Jul 2010 18:47 "michael adams" <mjadams27(a)onetl.net.uk> wrote in message news:89cbmtFkdvU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > "johnbee" <johnbrockbank(a)com.invalid> wrote in message > news:i0qqp6$1oa$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> < "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:FPNXn.75039$m87.58085(a)hurricane.. >> >> <leave Torres out, he's even more >> <of a passenger than Rooney >> >> Oh dear and you were going so well until then. At least Torres could be >> substituted, and he occasionally took part in the game while he was on. > > Agreed. He looked quite sharp at times, at least twice running the long > way > around defenders to the byline. He's just not had any luck with the > service > or the goals so far but he clearly doesn't lack the motivation. Just > that first ball in the back of the net and his confidence, fitness and > all round performance will improve 50% Yeah, that's what was said about Rooney..... I think Torres has been poor all through the WC, most objective opinions appear to agree.
From: lescor on 5 Jul 2010 01:14
"michael adams" <mjadams27(a)onetl.net.uk> wrote in message news:89cbmtFkdvU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > "johnbee" <johnbrockbank(a)com.invalid> wrote in message > news:i0qqp6$1oa$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> < "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:FPNXn.75039$m87.58085(a)hurricane.. >> >> <leave Torres out, he's even more >> <of a passenger than Rooney >> >> Oh dear and you were going so well until then. At least Torres could be >> substituted, and he occasionally took part in the game while he was on. > > Agreed. He looked quite sharp at times, at least twice running the long > way > around defenders to the byline. He's just not had any luck with the > service > or the goals so far but he clearly doesn't lack the motivation. Just > that first ball in the back of the net and his confidence, fitness and > all round performance will improve 50% > > > michael adams Maybe, but he looks a yard slow to me. Apart from his fine finishing, his greatest asset has been his acceleration from an almost standing start which gives him just enough space to do what he does so well. Haven't seen much of that yet, but could be tighter marking now that he is such a recognized danger? LC |