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From: Red Rackham on 17 Apr 2010 04:03 "Manx Gunner" <goal(a)4thegunners!.com> wrote in message news:MPG.263328926b6aaa30989c43(a)news-europe.giganews.com... > [Slitheen23(a)dropallthisgooglemail.com | Legend-11] > [<hqb4ds$j5r$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>] > [Sat, 17 Apr 2010 02:55:15 +0100] > > : > : On 16/04/2010 22:37, Manx Gunner wrote: > : > [REDDEVIL6(a)nospam.net | REDDEVIL6(a)nospam.net] > : > [<bbhhs55d7ceqqunodq81ofk7dpulh7k446(a)4ax.com>] > : > [Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:15:55 -0400] > : > > : > :>To be fair there might be an argument to say that's probably our own > : > :>fault. We perhaps never made the most of him and maybe could have > shown > : > :>more faith in him. He's the kind of player who likes to be > liked....and > : > :>he might not have been feeling the love from SAF. I mean look at him > : > :>now....he's a different player. > : > :> > : > :>I know one thing, I struggle to put it down to a sudden finding of > form. :/ > : > : > : > : Big fish, little pond > : > > : > Oh come off it, RD, you know that's nonsense. > : > > : > If Mancini stays long-term, when people hear 'Manchester' with regard > to > : > football, they'll be thinking of a team in powder blue. > : > : Pot, kettle...black. I'm sorry but that really proves how out of touch > : you are with the English game. > > Not remotely. Times change and the majority of fans, especially those in > areas > where the EPL's reach is growing (eg. outside England) couldn't care less > about > the rich history, etc. They care about who's winning now, and if Citeh > become > the team who's winning more often, they'll become pre-eminent. Ferguson > is not > going to be around forever, and he's been the one constant during MUFC's > giant > run of success over the last two-plus decades. Simply not true. For three years it looked like it would be Chelsea who'd win everything for the forseeable future. They haven't even managed to gain more fans in England, 250 went to Blackburn away, let alone make an impression with foreign fans. > > : A run of success for a newly rich team > : does not wipe out years of history of perhaps the most famous club in > : the world. Forever and a day when people hear "Manchester" in terms of > : football they will think of us....whatever City manage to achieve. And > : that's without what will come later... > > Many people outside of England (and many in England) think of Liverpool - > the > most successful league side (for now) in English history - as a Cup team > only. > That is what you get after two decades of futility. Liverpool are still the second most supported English team in the world, by a long way over other more recently successful teams. Making a mockery of your 'point'. > > : Now, do you think for a second that when the Glazers get bored that > : there won't be a huge influx of cash into this club? Already Chinese > : investors are sniffing around....and there's more money in China than > : Russia and the Arab world put together. Personally, like all decent > : United fans, I hope the Red Knight consortium are the ones to gain > : control....and they would also have the funds for a huge cash injection, > > I hope that the Red Knights aren't playing you folks for a lot of fools, > to be > honest with you. I don't like Manchester United, but I don't despise them > either and I don't think any fanbase deserves to be jerked around. The > Red > Knights seem all holy now, particularly compared to the Glazers, but this > is > big-time business and people in that arena tend to be pretty bloody > ruthless. People in that business tend to want to make money. In football you do that by having a successful team. > > It also doesn't seem like the Glazers like backing down from a fight. I > wonder > very much if they wouldn't rather go into administration and ruin in > 2013/14 > (or whenever the money comes due and no further extensions/loans can help) > rather than admit defeat and be essentially exiled and forced out of MUFC. Possibly the most stupid point I've read. The Glazers are interested in money only. And they're very good, and very ruthless at making it. Going into administration would lose them a fortune. And you're suggesting they'd rather do that than lose face? > > : but being a realist and observing modern trends I rather think it will > : be investors from China. And when that happens City will not be the > : richest club in the world any more. Manchester United and Real Madrid > : are the two most prized possessions in the game, in the *world*. And if > : United and City are competing on equal financial terms....it will be our > : history which will be the deciding factor when a big signing comes > : along. Already we have players with a little more self respect snubbing > : Manchester City and Chelsea and looking in our direction. > > I'm sorry, but the above is myopic. Players care about pound signs and > the > zeroes which come after them. It's convenient to talk about tradition > when the > club aspiring for such lofty aims is *also* the club doling out more money > than > anyone else, but don't fool yourself... Manchester United doesn't get a > discount from players based on their burning desire to play at Old > Trafford. A case in point. Berbatov turned down 'way' more money from City to sign for United. Some say it was half his wages again and double his signing on fee. The point was that if two clubs were offering the same money most players would choose United. They have the history and the glamour. > > : Basically, IF they even get on our radar, it won't be for long. If you > : stop to try and differentiate between ABU wishful thinking and what is > : likely to happen based on common sense, you'd see it for yourself. > > Spare me the ABU nonsense; it's a too-convenient excuse for deflection of > legitimate criticism and debate. If Arsenal don't win it, then I really > don't > care much who win it, though I'd just as soon Chelsea win it this year if > we > can't as I rather like Ancelotti (much to my surprise). I damned sure > wouldn't > be pulling for Tottenham over Manchester United, nor Birmingham, etc. Manchester United were one of the best supported teams in the world even when we went for 27 years without winning the league. There is a glamour and a magic about the team that no other in the world can match. Players were drawn to United even when there was less chance of winning the league. Your daydream that United will suddenly become third rate with no one wanting to play for us anymore is one typical among ABUs. HTH
From: Red Rackham on 17 Apr 2010 06:49 "Red Rackham" City have already have periods of more success than United, notably when we were relegated in 1974 but also when they won the league in the sixties and went close again in the 70s. Despite being in a lower league, United still had more fans, both at the game, and around the world. And still players were keener on signing for United than City. City are nowhere near winning the league again. And if they ever do, as I've already illustrated, it will have little bearing on our relative histories, worldwide support, or ability to lure top quality players. HTH
From: Red Rackham on 17 Apr 2010 06:51 "Red Rackham" <ONeil37(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:... > > "Red Rackham" And, since 2006 we've won more league titles than City have in their entire history. Is the point sinking in yet?
From: Lescor on 17 Apr 2010 06:51 "Red Rackham" <ONeil37(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:tA%xn.1689$c71.573(a)newsfe24.ams2... > > "Mentalguy2k8" > > >> >> I think you're being a bit harsh on your team and manager there. I was >> only saying that a few medals doesn't automatically mean a player is >> better than everyone else. >> >> Some of the more objective United fans have questioned Berbatov's >> commitment. > > > Nothing wrong with his commitment. All the stats from last season showed > that he outran, outscored, out-assisted, out-tackled and outplayed Tevez. Maybe they do, but it only proves how unreliable stats can be if considered only on face value > Problem's in his head. No confidence. Price tag has crippled him imho. Then it must have also crippled him at Spurs as he was just as frustrating with them............good when his team were good and on top. but seldom the man to put them in that position. This is why I was so amazed at SAF paying that sort of price for him, a player in the later stages of his career and, unlike Cantona, one without an 'edge' to his game. Cantona was a clever bargain buy and Fergie probably thought he had found another? But a very pricey gamble which failed.. He needs to go back to a European club where is style could be more suitable. > On paper he had all the potential of being someone in between another > Cantona or Sheringham. It just hasn't worked out like that. That is some combination, but I doubt if any Spurs fans saw him as such? More like Mat Le Tissier and Butch Wilkins maybe? LC
From: Lescor on 17 Apr 2010 06:56
<REDDEVIL6(a)nospam.net> wrote in message news:bbhhs55d7ceqqunodq81ofk7dpulh7k446(a)4ax.com... > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:07:35 +0100, Legend-11 > <Slitheen23(a)dropallthisgooglemail.com> wrote: > >>On 16/04/2010 17:12, Red Rackham wrote: >>> "Mentalguy2k8"<Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:wU%xn.23$rU3.16(a)newsfe19.ams2... >>>> >>>> "Red Rackham"<ONeil37(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:tA%xn.1689$c71.573(a)newsfe24.ams2... >>>>> >>>>> "Mentalguy2k8" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I think you're being a bit harsh on your team and manager there. I >>>>>> was >>>>>> only saying that a few medals doesn't automatically mean a player is >>>>>> better than everyone else. >>>>>> >>>>>> Some of the more objective United fans have questioned Berbatov's >>>>>> commitment. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Nothing wrong with his commitment. All the stats from last season >>>>> showed >>>>> that he outran, outscored, out-assisted, out-tackled and outplayed >>>>> Tevez. >>>> >>>> Note the word *objective*. >>> >>> >>> You can't be more objective than taking in the stats. Tevez scored five >>> goals and had 3 assists last season. That is seriously shite for a >>> forward. >>> >>> >> >>To be fair there might be an argument to say that's probably our own >>fault. We perhaps never made the most of him and maybe could have shown >>more faith in him. He's the kind of player who likes to be liked....and >>he might not have been feeling the love from SAF. I mean look at him >>now....he's a different player. >> >>I know one thing, I struggle to put it down to a sudden finding of form. >>:/ > > Big fish, little pond Little pond? Does Tevez compete in the lower divisions? LC |