Argentina backline
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From: Alkamista on 6 Sep 2009 19:31 On Sep 6, 6:22 pm, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 7 Sep, 09:12, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Sep 6, 5:03 pm, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 7 Sep, 03:34, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Sep 6, 4:31 am, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Messi needs to be released from have to trying to set the tempo and > > > > > rhythm and direct play, he's not that sort of player. He works best > > > > > when the opposition are distracted by some other focal point. > > > > > Completely agree, he's most effective when there's a Xavi or Iniesta > > > > running the show. Problem is, Argentina have neither. The current > > > > Argentina team is a very good barometer of how good/great Messi truly > > > > is. If he's only lighting it up when he's a sideshow then he's no Kaka > > > > or Ronaldo. > > > > Ronaldo's no Ronaldo when the bus is parked either. > > > We are not talking about a bus being parked here, we are talking about > > playing on a team without a proper playmaker who is the focal point of > > the offense (thereby hogging a lot of the defense's attention). > > Ronaldo has played most of his career on such teams, Messi has not. > > Ronaldo's not a playmaker. He does his best work on the counter- > attack, in teams designed to make that work for him. He has his > limitations. Just like Messi. I never said that Ronaldo is a playmaker. I am using your own criteria, which was "He (Messi) works best when the opposition are distracted by some other focal point." I agree with you that that has been the case with Messi, while Ronaldo OTOH has never played with a real playmaker, and still delivered, which means that Ronaldo has stood up to tougher tests than Messi. The current Argentina team is the first time Messi is playing without a playmaker, and if he still delivers then he can stake his claim to greatness, and if he cant then the jury is still out on him.
From: Enzo on 6 Sep 2009 21:37 On Sep 6, 8:02 pm, Benny <Be...(a)soccer-europe.com> wrote: > > Subject : Argentina backline > > From : alkami...(a)hotmail.com > > > Completely agree, he's most effective when there's a Xavi or Iniesta > > running the show. Problem is, Argentina have neither. The current > > Argentina team is a very good barometer of how good/great Messi truly > > is. If he's only lighting it up when he's a sideshow then he's no Kaka > > or Ronaldo. > > Messi would perform considerably better with say Lucho Gonzalez and Gago > in midfield and Higuain or Milito in attack instead of another midget. > > --http://soccer-europe.com > Rss feed :http://soccer-europe.com/RSS/News.xml Isnt Milito a midget? Definitely not striker tall.
From: Abubakr on 6 Sep 2009 21:36 On 7 Sep, 09:31, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On Sep 6, 6:22 pm, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 7 Sep, 09:12, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Sep 6, 5:03 pm, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 7 Sep, 03:34, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Sep 6, 4:31 am, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Messi needs to be released from have to trying to set the tempo and > > > > > > rhythm and direct play, he's not that sort of player. He works best > > > > > > when the opposition are distracted by some other focal point. > > > > > > Completely agree, he's most effective when there's a Xavi or Iniesta > > > > > running the show. Problem is, Argentina have neither. The current > > > > > Argentina team is a very good barometer of how good/great Messi truly > > > > > is. If he's only lighting it up when he's a sideshow then he's no Kaka > > > > > or Ronaldo. > > > > > Ronaldo's no Ronaldo when the bus is parked either. > > > > We are not talking about a bus being parked here, we are talking about > > > playing on a team without a proper playmaker who is the focal point of > > > the offense (thereby hogging a lot of the defense's attention). > > > Ronaldo has played most of his career on such teams, Messi has not. > > > Ronaldo's not a playmaker. He does his best work on the counter- > > attack, in teams designed to make that work for him. He has his > > limitations. Just like Messi. > > I never said that Ronaldo is a playmaker. I am using your own > criteria, which was "He (Messi) works best when the opposition are > distracted by some other focal point." I agree with you that that has > been the case with Messi, while Ronaldo OTOH has never played with a > real playmaker, and still delivered, which means that Ronaldo has > stood up to tougher tests than Messi. The current Argentina team is > the first time Messi is playing without a playmaker, and if he still > delivers then he can stake his claim to greatness, and if he cant then > the jury is still out on him. But the point I'm making is that they both have their limitations. CR, despite what you claim about him, HAS played in teams with play-makers and a style of methodical build-up play and has flopped badly in that situation. Look at his NT. His game is built 90% on speed. Make that aspect irrelevant and he becomes largely irrelevant.
From: Abubakr on 6 Sep 2009 21:41 On 7 Sep, 11:37, Enzo <s_debgu...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Sep 6, 8:02 pm, Benny <Be...(a)soccer-europe.com> wrote: > > > > Subject : Argentina backline > > > From : alkami...(a)hotmail.com > > > > Completely agree, he's most effective when there's a Xavi or Iniesta > > > running the show. Problem is, Argentina have neither. The current > > > Argentina team is a very good barometer of how good/great Messi truly > > > is. If he's only lighting it up when he's a sideshow then he's no Kaka > > > or Ronaldo. > > > Messi would perform considerably better with say Lucho Gonzalez and Gago > > in midfield and Higuain or Milito in attack instead of another midget. > > > --http://soccer-europe.com > > Rss feed :http://soccer-europe.com/RSS/News.xml > > Isnt Milito a midget? Definitely not striker tall. Same height as Eto'o. He's neither tall or short.
From: Benny on 7 Sep 2009 11:10
> Subject : Argentina backline > From : s_debgupta(a)yahoo.com >> Messi would perform considerably better with say Lucho Gonzalez and Gago >> in midfield and Higuain or Milito in attack instead of another midget. >> > Isnt Milito a midget? Definitely not striker tall. He's between 5ft 10 in - 5ft 11. This is the best I can come up with in terms of size and talent : GK. Andujar (6ft 4.5in) RB. Garay (6ft 2.5in) CB. Samuel (5ft 11.5 in) CB. Gonzalo Rodriguez (6ft) LB. Insua (5ft 8in) LM. Datolo (5ft 9in) CM. Lucho (6ft 1.5in) CM. Gago (5ft 10in) RM. Rodriguez (5ft 10in) MF. Messi (5ft 7in) FW. Higuain (6ft 1.5in) or Milito (5ft 10/11in) Argentina are seriously lacking in the full back positions. I haven't seen much of Garay but my understanding is he's mainly a centre back but can play at right back. -- http://soccer-europe.com Rss feed : http://soccer-europe.com/RSS/News.xml |