From: Benny on
> Subject : Argentina backline
> From : alkamista(a)hotmail.com

> Completely agree, he's most effective when there's a Xavi or Iniesta
> running the show. Problem is, Argentina have neither. The current
> Argentina team is a very good barometer of how good/great Messi truly
> is. If he's only lighting it up when he's a sideshow then he's no Kaka
> or Ronaldo.

Messi would perform considerably better with say Lucho Gonzalez and Gago
in midfield and Higuain or Milito in attack instead of another midget.


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From: FF on
Enzo wrote:
> On Sep 5, 9:26 pm, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 5, 1:48 pm, FF <FAIRFOOTBALL....(a)domainsbyproxy.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Enzo wrote:
> >
> > > > > > Messi.
> >
> > > > > Yeah, I was just kidding a bit about your (past?) anti-Messianism..
> >
> > > > Not past. I still dont rate him.
> >
> > > > Note the use of the adjective "certified".
> > > > Thanks.
> >
> > > What ?? He's 22 and has won 2 Champions Leagues and one UEFA
> > > Footballer of the Year. What must he do to impress you ?
> > > Just curious, do you rate Pele ?
> >
> > Enzo is very similar to Benny in this regard. Once they decide not to
> > like a player, they dont let facts get in their way.
>
> Please parse the statement correctly. I never said he is
> not a good player. But I disagree that he is some sort
> of genius. My statement about rating him is in this context.
> He was obviously one of the best players in Europe last
> season.

It's one thing to say you don't rate him, and another one altogether
that you consider him one of the best players in Europe but not a
genius. Context or no context.

> Riquelme? No, Argentina do not need immobile playmakers.
> That has been done and proven ineffective.

You mean when he was pulled out from the match with Germany when Arg.
was leading 1 - 0 ? Nice way of trying him.
From: Abubakr on
On 7 Sep, 03:34, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 6, 4:31 am, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Messi needs to be released from have to trying to set the tempo and
> > rhythm and direct play, he's not that sort of player. He works best
> > when the opposition are distracted by some other focal point.
>
> Completely agree, he's most effective when there's a Xavi or Iniesta
> running the show. Problem is, Argentina have neither. The current
> Argentina team is a very good barometer of how good/great Messi truly
> is. If he's only lighting it up when he's a sideshow then he's no Kaka
> or Ronaldo.

Ronaldo's no Ronaldo when the bus is parked either.
From: Alkamista on
On Sep 6, 5:03 pm, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7 Sep, 03:34, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 6, 4:31 am, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Messi needs to be released from have to trying to set the tempo and
> > > rhythm and direct play, he's not that sort of player. He works best
> > > when the opposition are distracted by some other focal point.
>
> > Completely agree, he's most effective when there's a Xavi or Iniesta
> > running the show. Problem is, Argentina have neither. The current
> > Argentina team is a very good barometer of how good/great Messi truly
> > is. If he's only lighting it up when he's a sideshow then he's no Kaka
> > or Ronaldo.
>
> Ronaldo's no Ronaldo when the bus is parked either.

We are not talking about a bus being parked here, we are talking about
playing on a team without a proper playmaker who is the focal point of
the offense (thereby hogging a lot of the defense's attention).
Ronaldo has played most of his career on such teams, Messi has not.
From: Abubakr on
On 7 Sep, 09:12, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 6, 5:03 pm, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 7 Sep, 03:34, Alkamista <alkami...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 6, 4:31 am, Abubakr <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Messi needs to be released from have to trying to set the tempo and
> > > > rhythm and direct play, he's not that sort of player. He works best
> > > > when the opposition are distracted by some other focal point.
>
> > > Completely agree, he's most effective when there's a Xavi or Iniesta
> > > running the show. Problem is, Argentina have neither. The current
> > > Argentina team is a very good barometer of how good/great Messi truly
> > > is. If he's only lighting it up when he's a sideshow then he's no Kaka
> > > or Ronaldo.
>
> > Ronaldo's no Ronaldo when the bus is parked either.
>
> We are not talking about a bus being parked here, we are talking about
> playing on a team without a proper playmaker who is the focal point of
> the offense (thereby hogging a lot of the defense's attention).
> Ronaldo has played most of his career on such teams, Messi has not.

Ronaldo's not a playmaker. He does his best work on the counter-
attack, in teams designed to make that work for him. He has his
limitations. Just like Messi.