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From: milivella on 16 May 2010 15:54
Futbolmetrix:

> It's actually pretty straightforward: assign to each team their UEFA
> coefficient: Barcelona 136, ManU 125, etc.
>
> Issues with this:
> 1) Any team that doesn't have a coefficient gets its country's
> coefficient (so, for example, West Ham = England = 16.371. But what
> about teams in lower leagues?). Same number, or same number divided by
> 2?
>
> 2) What coefficients to assign to non-european teams? My hunch:
> Brazilian teams ~ Russia/Portugal. Argentinian teams ~ Netherlands/
> Turkey; Everything else in SA+Mexico+J-League+K-League + Egypt:
> Austria/Bulgaria; Everything else: Hungary/Georgia

Or you could use another ranking, that includes non-European teams as
well. Since I don't like to be insulted, I'll never suggest you to use
IFFHS' one. ;) But there is the Chance de gol one, and of course the
mighty JPrank.

> In any case, I'm about a third of the way there, it will be
> interesting to see what comes out. I suspect that Brazil and Spain
> will advance substantially in the rankings.

So your ranking would be closer to (methodologically more boring!)
FIFA, Elo, etc. ones. Nice.

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milivella
From: Mark V. on 16 May 2010 16:05
On May 16, 11:43 am, milivella <milive...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Karamako:
>
> > Some players born in France :
>
> France is the most represented nation at the WC! :)
>
> (I guess Brazil comes 2nd, doesn't it?)
>
> --
> Cheers
> milivella

30 Brazilians, plus Cacau, Marco Senna, Benny Feilhaber, Deco, a
couple more Portuguese, and one or two Japanese?
From: milivella on 16 May 2010 16:06
milivella:

> Futbolmetrix:
>
> > It's actually pretty straightforward: assign to each team their UEFA
> > coefficient: Barcelona 136, ManU 125, etc.
>
> > Issues with this:
> > 1) Any team that doesn't have a coefficient gets its country's
> > coefficient (so, for example, West Ham = England = 16.371. But what
> > about teams in lower leagues?). Same number, or same number divided by
> > 2?
>
> > 2) What coefficients to assign to non-european teams? My hunch:
> > Brazilian teams ~ Russia/Portugal. Argentinian teams ~ Netherlands/
> > Turkey; Everything else in SA+Mexico+J-League+K-League + Egypt:
> > Austria/Bulgaria; Everything else: Hungary/Georgia
>
> Or you could use another ranking, that includes non-European teams as
> well. Since I don't like to be insulted, I'll never suggest you to use
> IFFHS' one. ;) But there is the Chance de gol one, and of course the
> mighty JPrank.

If the top 35 are enough for you, there is also
http://www.worldclubrankings.com/2010/05/wcr-top-25-clubs-in-world-closing-in-on.html
It seems based on stats:
http://www.worldclubrankings.com/2008/09/wcr-top-25-principles-purposes-and.html

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Cheers
milivella
From: Futbolmetrix on 16 May 2010 16:21
On May 16, 10:54 pm, milivella <milive...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Futbolmetrix:
>
> Or you could use another ranking, that includes non-European teams as
> well. Since I don't like to be insulted, I'll never suggest you to use
> IFFHS' one. ;) But there is the Chance de gol one, and of course the
> mighty JPrank.

With all due respect to our SouthAmerican friends, their rankings tend
to overrate Southamerican teams by quite a large amount. Since the
Bosman ruling, European teams have been something like 10-2-3 in
Toyota Cups/Club World Championships. So I just don't believe a
ranking that has Universidad de Chile in 4th place.

This is the first thing that came up when I googled "club rankings
soccer", and it looks more reasonable, even though I can't quite
understand if it's entirely subjective or has some formula behind it.

http://www.worldclubrankings.com/2010/05/wcr-top-25-clubs-in-world-closing-in-on.html

Given how difficult it is to come up with intercontinental rankings, I
actually think that subjective rankings may be better than ones based
on very imperfect formulas, which tend to give crazy results.

D
From: milivella on 16 May 2010 16:40
Futbolmetrix:
> This is the first thing that came up when I googled "club rankings
> soccer", and it looks more reasonable, even though I can't quite
> understand if it's entirely subjective or has some formula behind it.
>
> http://www.worldclubrankings.com/2010/05/wcr-top-25-clubs-in-world-cl...

See
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/msg/095862693f273c5e

> Given how difficult it is to come up with intercontinental rankings, I
> actually think that subjective rankings may be better than ones based
> on very imperfect formulas, which tend to give crazy results.

It sounds sensible.

I guess that every statistical way to compare European vs. South
American club teams revolves around just one yearly match. How
couldn't it be too little? (at least for the purpose of measuring
current strength, an all-time ranking is a little easier to accept)

This said, I like both JPrank and Chance de gol ranking, and, if you
don't need a very precise measure of strengths, they can give you a
general picture of world football and make you think.

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milivella
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