From: Mentalguy2k8 on

"Swerve" <bill.liles(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 17 July, 13:22, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Swerve" <bill.li...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> news:2a4d4c0b-dcaf-47de-9223-b55b84a5b601(a)w12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
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>> > On 17 July, 08:56, "Redman" <redman1...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> "bofh" <lan...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> >>news:6f1bf5f5-9fa2-41f7-843a-9095d728ea90(a)w30g2000yqw.googlegroups.com...
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>> >> > On 16 July, 06:15, "The Magician" <su...(a)wigan.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Not heard much from Liverpool fans who normally in July have all
>> >> >> but
>> >> >> hoisted
>> >> >> the title flag and built a stand in their trophy cabinet for the
>> >> >> "obvious"
>> >> >> League Title which is "certain" to head to Anfield.
>>
>> >> >> Can you please assist anxious Manchester United supporters, by
>> >> >> clarifying
>> >> >> if
>> >> >> this is your season or not please, we are getting very worried that
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> may
>> >> >> be finally getting the message, and seek that you alleviate such
>> >> >> fears
>> >> >> from
>> >> >> us minds
>>
>> >> > thanks. Dont worry about us. We have made changes to the club that
>> >> > rule us out of worrying about trophies and things, so pop over to
>> >> > the
>> >> > spurs, city or villa groups if you want banter for the next few
>> >> > seasons
>>
>> >> > Hope that helps
>>
>> >> Let's turn this around and ask is this Berbaflops year for the scum?
>> >> Well
>> >> he
>> >> scored and got MOTM against Celtic
>>
>> >> snigger
>>
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>> > You mean Dimitar Berbatov?
>>
>> > Scorer of 48 international goals in 77 matches?
>>
>> > 6 times Bulgarian player of the year?
>>
>> So you're saying Rooney is your second choice striker?- Hide quoted
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> No. Why would you think that?

You're making a case for Berbatov based on international goals and player of
the year awards, he's got more of both than Rooney. So he must be a better
player, eh? Or do we judge Rooney on his United stats?

From: Mentalguy2k8 on

"Swerve" <bill.liles(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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On 17 July, 15:35, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> "Swerve" <bill.li...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:1395418a-3e14-48a9-a5a9-ff5f59732147(a)e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
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> > On 17 July, 13:22, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "Swerve" <bill.li...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> >>news:2a4d4c0b-dcaf-47de-9223-b55b84a5b601(a)w12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
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> >> > On 17 July, 08:56, "Redman" <redman1...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >> "bofh" <lan...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> >> >>news:6f1bf5f5-9fa2-41f7-843a-9095d728ea90(a)w30g2000yqw.googlegroups.com...
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> >> >> > On 16 July, 06:15, "The Magician" <su...(a)wigan.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> Not heard much from Liverpool fans who normally in July have all
> >> >> >> but
> >> >> >> hoisted
> >> >> >> the title flag and built a stand in their trophy cabinet for the
> >> >> >> "obvious"
> >> >> >> League Title which is "certain" to head to Anfield.
>
> >> >> >> Can you please assist anxious Manchester United supporters, by
> >> >> >> clarifying
> >> >> >> if
> >> >> >> this is your season or not please, we are getting very worried
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> may
> >> >> >> be finally getting the message, and seek that you alleviate such
> >> >> >> fears
> >> >> >> from
> >> >> >> us minds
>
> >> >> > thanks. Dont worry about us. We have made changes to the club that
> >> >> > rule us out of worrying about trophies and things, so pop over to
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > spurs, city or villa groups if you want banter for the next few
> >> >> > seasons
>
> >> >> > Hope that helps
>
> >> >> Let's turn this around and ask is this Berbaflops year for the scum?
> >> >> Well
> >> >> he
> >> >> scored and got MOTM against Celtic
>
> >> >> snigger
>
> >> >> Redman- Hide quoted text -
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> >> >> - Show quoted text -
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> >> > You mean Dimitar Berbatov?
>
> >> > Scorer of 48 international goals in 77 matches?
>
> >> > 6 times Bulgarian player of the year?
>
> >> So you're saying Rooney is your second choice striker?- Hide quoted
> >> text -
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> >> - Show quoted text -
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> > No. Why would you think that?
>
> You're making a case for Berbatov based on international goals and player
> of
> the year awards, he's got more of both than Rooney. So he must be a better
> player, eh? Or do we judge Rooney on his United stats?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

>I'm merely illustrating my point that Berbatov was and still is a
>truly world class player who has just had by his own high standards an
>ordinary season.

Yes, he's a decent player by Bulgarian standards, thanks.

From: JAB on
On 17/07/2010 3:10 PM, Swerve wrote:
>> He is a flop compared to the money you paid for him and yes before you
>> say what about Chelsea's �30mil flop ... it doesn't mean that Berbatov
>> it's a flop. Simple question do you think he's worth �30mil - yes or no?- Hide quoted text -
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> If you think that for the money he contributed significantly more to
> our last league title than Tevez did, then I wouldn't class him as a
> flop.
>
> More is expected, but a flop he is not. That's just silly tabloid
> talk.

Oh FFS what has Tevez got to do with it ... is Berbatov worth �30mil or
not? The fact that you don't want to answer to the question speaks
volumes ...
From: Swerve on
On 17 July, 16:49, JAB <nocha...(a)nohope.com> wrote:
> On 17/07/2010 3:10 PM, Swerve wrote:
>
> >> He is a flop compared to the money you paid for him and yes before you
> >> say what about Chelsea's £30mil flop ... it doesn't mean that Berbatov
> >> it's a flop. Simple question do you think he's worth £30mil - yes or no?- Hide quoted text -
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> >> - Show quoted text -
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> > If you think that for the money he contributed significantly more to
> > our last league title than Tevez did, then I wouldn't class him as a
> > flop.
>
> > More is expected, but a flop he is not.  That's just silly tabloid
> > talk.
>
> Oh FFS what has Tevez got to do with it ... is Berbatov worth £30mil or
> not? The fact that you don't want to answer to the question speaks
> volumes ...

He was worth 30 mil when they bought him, and the season that followed
he did a fair bit better than a lot of people give him credit for.

He's just had an ordinary season, nothing worse than that and for a
fair bunch of it he was playing with injury.

It seems to me that people expect United players to paint the universe
red and black every season if they join with any sort of reputation
and then if they fall short at times, cant wait to murder them.

He hasn't been a flop, and I contend that I have answered all
questions at least adequately, whilst my own have lartgely been
sidestepped.
From: Swerve on
On 17 July, 16:18, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> "Swerve" <bill.li...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:6fc30dda-b7ce-4aae-8e2a-3872932babe1(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On 17 July, 15:35, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> > "Swerve" <bill.li...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1395418a-3e14-48a9-a5a9-ff5f59732147(a)e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On 17 July, 13:22, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> "Swerve" <bill.li...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >>news:2a4d4c0b-dcaf-47de-9223-b55b84a5b601(a)w12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >> > On 17 July, 08:56, "Redman" <redman1...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > >> >> "bofh" <lan...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >> >>news:6f1bf5f5-9fa2-41f7-843a-9095d728ea90(a)w30g2000yqw.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >> >> > On 16 July, 06:15, "The Magician" <su...(a)wigan.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >> Not heard much from Liverpool fans who normally in July have all
> > >> >> >> but
> > >> >> >> hoisted
> > >> >> >> the title flag and built a stand in their trophy cabinet for the
> > >> >> >> "obvious"
> > >> >> >> League Title which is "certain" to head to Anfield.
>
> > >> >> >> Can you please assist anxious Manchester United supporters, by
> > >> >> >> clarifying
> > >> >> >> if
> > >> >> >> this is your season or not please, we are getting very worried
> > >> >> >> that
> > >> >> >> you
> > >> >> >> may
> > >> >> >> be finally getting the message, and seek that you alleviate such
> > >> >> >> fears
> > >> >> >> from
> > >> >> >> us minds
>
> > >> >> > thanks. Dont worry about us. We have made changes to the club that
> > >> >> > rule us out of worrying about trophies and things, so pop over to
> > >> >> > the
> > >> >> > spurs, city or villa groups if you want banter for the next few
> > >> >> > seasons
>
> > >> >> > Hope that helps
>
> > >> >> Let's turn this around and ask is this Berbaflops year for the scum?
> > >> >> Well
> > >> >> he
> > >> >> scored and got MOTM against Celtic
>
> > >> >> snigger
>
> > >> >> Redman- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > >> > You mean Dimitar Berbatov?
>
> > >> > Scorer of 48 international goals in 77 matches?
>
> > >> > 6 times Bulgarian player of the year?
>
> > >> So you're saying Rooney is your second choice striker?- Hide quoted
> > >> text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > No. Why would you think that?
>
> > You're making a case for Berbatov based on international goals and player
> > of
> > the year awards, he's got more of both than Rooney. So he must be a better
> > player, eh? Or do we judge Rooney on his United stats?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
> >I'm merely illustrating my point that Berbatov was and still is a
> >truly world class player who has just had by his own high standards an
> >ordinary season.
>
> Yes, he's a decent player by Bulgarian standards, thanks.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

He's more than a decent player by Liverpool standards, thanks.

The only English striker to match his international goal scoring in
terms of return AND rate is Jimmy Greaves, so by that measure he is
more than just a decent player by "Bulgarian" standards, he is also
more than just a decent player by international standards too.