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From: d0asta on 30 Jun 2010 05:58 On 30 Juni, 10:06, Jordi <jordi....(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Check these two: > > http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5168/xavie.jpgfor the 1st passhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/alfonsoc/villagoal-1.jpgfor > the 2nd > > It was so awfully close (and fast) it was almost impossible for the > ref to spot, and in case of doubt, play must continue. Good example that video technology wont solve any problems. How many days and courts of appeal should it take to play a 90 minute game?
From: Clément on 30 Jun 2010 09:03 "d0asta" escreveu: > On 30 Juni, 10:06, Jordi wrote: > >> Check these two: >> >> http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5168/xavie.jpgfor the 1st >> passhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/alfonsoc/villagoal-1.jpgfor >> the 2nd >> >> It was so awfully close (and fast) it was almost impossible for the >> ref to spot, and in case of doubt, play must continue. > > Good example that video technology wont solve any problems. How many > days and courts of appeal should it take to play a 90 minute game? This does not follow. Any sensible implementation of video review assumes beforehand that video is not conclusive in all situations. In such cases, the field call always stands. Mind you, I'm not in favor of an "appeal" format for video review (or any other way of reviewing a call) in football. What I would like to see is one official, or a group of officials, following *specific situations* and giving the referee instant feedback when he makes a wrong call. It could be a goal judge, or judges in a booth with video, whatever works best. To me, this is not about technology, or the lack of it, it's about not having a system in place to avoid or reverse blatant mistakes such as the ones on the GER-ENG and ARG-MEX matches. The botched calls on Sunday were conceptually simple calls, regulated by objective rules. Neither depended on interpretation, or were close, milimetric calls. They did not need to stand. Every reasonable person can understand how a 50-50 call can go both ways. I'm not so worried about those. But I think something could be done about avoiding mistakes in clear cut situations. The way they resist implementing such solutions, football regulating bodies undermine their own credibility, and that of their referees - the ones whose authority they allegedly seek to enforce. Abra�o, Luiz Mello
From: Jesus Petry on 30 Jun 2010 10:52 On Jun 29, 6:27 pm, anders t <anthu_001(a)no_-_spam_.hotmail.com> wrote: > Quoting MH in rec.sport.soccer: > > >Portugal did quite well and had some decent chances, but Spain are a bit > >better. Coentrao possibly the best left back in the tournament so far.. > > He's Cointreau to the Swedish TV expert panel. The closest I can render his name into English pronunciation is "quen- TROWN". Tchau! Jesus Petry
From: Jordi on 1 Jul 2010 04:38 On Jun 30, 7:35 pm, MH <MHnos...(a)ucalgary.ca> wrote: > Jordi wrote: > > >http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5168/xavie.jpgfor the 1st pass > >http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/alfonsoc/villagoal-1.jpgfor > > the 2nd > > > It was so awfully close (and fast) it was almost impossible for the > > ref to spot, and in case of doubt, play must continue. > > Based on those two, my impression seems confirmed. Xavi offside, Villa not. Look carefully, the leg of the Portuguese defender is behind Xavi.
From: Bruce D. Scott on 1 Jul 2010 07:37
=?Windows-1252?Q?Cl=E9ment?= (lcmello.listas(a)terra.com.br) wrote: [...] : Mind you, I'm not in favor of an "appeal" format for video review (or any : other way of reviewing a call) in football. : What I would like to see is one official, or a group of officials, following : *specific situations* and giving the referee instant feedback when he makes : a wrong call. [...] I agree fully with you here... the mistake the NFL made is to use the technology on every little angel-on-the-needle situation. FIFA should find a way to use, either systems or people, in such a way that you get immediate correction but only on the really obvious cases. Glaring things like a goal 1m offside or an offside call with a player clearly to all onside, or a ball 1m behing the goal line, or, equally obvious, the phantom goal in Munich in 1994. In some cases all FIFA has to do is to allow referees to correct their calls. -- ciao, Bruce drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/ |