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From: DC on 12 Mar 2010 06:09 On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:57:16 -0000, Lescor <lescor(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > > > "Diablos Rojos" <diablos_r0j0s(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:7vs7t6Ftu8U1(a)mid.individual.net... >> >> "DC" <a(a)a.com> wrote in message news:op.u9ejsoxcwgp685(a)gateway-pc.lan... >>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:40:11 -0000, Lescor <lescor(a)btinternet.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Google Beta User" <wanyikuli(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:473358bb-bc32-4411-b3e8-e40af064bda5(a)q23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... >>>>> On Mar 10, 2:26 pm, italian...(a)gmail.com (SteveH) wrote: >>>>> : >>>>>> > An emotional attachment to a game where you claim to follow >>>>>> nobody, > you're >>>>>> > right I find it quite strange but to be perfectly frank I think >>>>>> you're >>>>>> > alleged impartiallity is absolute bollocks. >>>>>> >>>>>> I was under the impression he was a johnny come lately Chelski fan. >>>>> >>>>> Correct. >>>>> >>>>> He knows football history, and is "cultured" (whtatever that means) >>>>> but I've suspected since he burst onto the scene that he's an >>>>> undercover Chelski fan. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cultured? What the hell is that supposed to mean? I know football >>>> because I have been watching it for (probably) far longer than any >>>> other >>>> around here, and did so mainly as a hard up working class lad standing >>>> in the rain and freezing. >>>> >>>> Why understanding an interest which is not based on club bias is so >>>> difficult to understand is beyond me. >>>> >>>> Try this for a concept. A lover of classical music.......but not only >>>> Bach. >>>> >>>> Of good food.......but not only prime steak >>>> Of Jazz.................. but not only Mulligan >>>> Of ice cream.......but not only vanilla >>>> Of art.............,,,, but not only Turner >>>> Of opera......but not only Puccini >>>> Of Drama......but not only Shakespeare >>>> Of sport........but not only football. >>>> Of gambling.....but not only poker....etc. >>>> >>>> Not difficult to understand is it? So why such a problem with adding >>>> football >>>> to the list? >>>> >>>> >>>> LC >>> >>> Answer me this does >>> >>> Does Steak compete directly with other food > > Absolutely irrelevant You seem to think that the drama which comes > with competition is not as appreciated unless you support one of the > competitors. Seems that the whole idea is "strange". > But who enjoyed the MU 1 ---,Liverpool 4 game the most as a match. > Who enjoyed the football? The mistakes? The drama? Me, who could > not care less about the result, or the thousands of pissed off Man U > fans? > > My list above is absolutely valid. It shows that it is possible, even > very common, > to have a love for,,,,, appreciation .....passion - call it what you > like- for > something without having a favourite. > > Believe it or not. I probably enjoyed Man U's last CL performance ( and > Arsenals) > just as much as you or their fans. > > LC > Not one of your list was in direct competition and you know you were found out. Steak and Fish argument my god thats a belter and you are right completely irrelevant. Competitive sport can not be compared with deciding which food you like or which opera you will watch. I could watch third division French football and I would still find a reason to favour one team over the other. Besides you are currently trying to argue with several United fans which is displaying a competitive nature if you were of a truly passive nature you would be of a don't care attitude and left it at that. Thus it would be impossible for you to enjoy over a long period as you claim a competitive sport without taking a side. Its just not in your nature. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
From: DC on 12 Mar 2010 06:27 On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:42:02 -0000, Lescor <lescor(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > > > "DC" <a(a)a.com> wrote in message news:op.u9epf3mbwgp685(a)gateway-pc.lan... >> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:57:42 -0000, Google Beta User >> <wanyikuli(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Mar 11, 7:03 am, DC <a...(a)a.com> wrote: >>> >>>> In the same way as Man Utd compete directly with Liverpool, Arsenal, >>>> and Chelsea? >>> >>> And in any case I'm a Liverpool fan, but I can enjoy Ronaldo, support >>> England, enjoy a Barcelona vs. Real Madrid game, hate Brazil, watch >>> the Africa CUp of Nations, etc etc. >>> >>> IT's not either/or. >>> >>> >> >> It can be enjoyed but at the very heart of human nature is a >> pack/Tribal nature a sense of belonging and to be an avid football fan >> and not be a part of that seems not very human to most and that is why >> many doubt Lescor. He is either thus highly likely to be one or a >> combination of the following. >> >> a) Lying >> b) Not Human >> c) Wind up Merchant >> d) Lacking something psychologically. >> e) Removed from the psychological source of football rivalry. >> f) Very low testosterone, possibly female, and a loner. > > > LOL.........but you left out one. A free thinking individual. > > You know, someone who doesn't need the comfort of belonging > to a mob, group or faction and to faithfully follow them because > .....because?.............because? err....because.... well. because > that > is what we all do! > > I probably wouldn't have joined the Hitler youth or Nazi party either > both of which offered group identity for those who needed it,,,, you > know, > that pack identity and sense of belonging you mentioned. Ohh this should be fun. What would the reasons in your free thinking mind you would not join the the German Nazi party? -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
From: chuck-spears on 12 Mar 2010 10:14 "Lescor" <lescor(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message news:_v6dnaJ2VNZwnAfWnZ2dnUVZ7tOdnZ2d(a)bt.com... > > > "Diablos Rojos" <diablos_r0j0s(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:7vs7t6Ftu8U1(a)mid.individual.net... >> >> "DC" <a(a)a.com> wrote in message news:op.u9ejsoxcwgp685(a)gateway-pc.lan... >>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:40:11 -0000, Lescor <lescor(a)btinternet.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Google Beta User" <wanyikuli(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:473358bb-bc32-4411-b3e8-e40af064bda5(a)q23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... >>>>> On Mar 10, 2:26 pm, italian...(a)gmail.com (SteveH) wrote: >>>>> : >>>>>> > An emotional attachment to a game where you claim to follow nobody, >>>>>> > you're >>>>>> > right I find it quite strange but to be perfectly frank I think >>>>>> you're >>>>>> > alleged impartiallity is absolute bollocks. >>>>>> >>>>>> I was under the impression he was a johnny come lately Chelski fan. >>>>> >>>>> Correct. >>>>> >>>>> He knows football history, and is "cultured" (whtatever that means) >>>>> but I've suspected since he burst onto the scene that he's an >>>>> undercover Chelski fan. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cultured? What the hell is that supposed to mean? I know football >>>> because I have been watching it for (probably) far longer than any >>>> other >>>> around here, and did so mainly as a hard up working class lad standing >>>> in the rain and freezing. >>>> >>>> Why understanding an interest which is not based on club bias is so >>>> difficult to understand is beyond me. >>>> >>>> Try this for a concept. A lover of classical music.......but not only >>>> Bach. >>>> >>>> Of good food.......but not only prime steak >>>> Of Jazz.................. but not only Mulligan >>>> Of ice cream.......but not only vanilla >>>> Of art.............,,,, but not only Turner >>>> Of opera......but not only Puccini >>>> Of Drama......but not only Shakespeare >>>> Of sport........but not only football. >>>> Of gambling.....but not only poker....etc. >>>> >>>> Not difficult to understand is it? So why such a problem with adding >>>> football >>>> to the list? >>>> >>>> >>>> LC >>> >>> Answer me this does >>> >>> Does Steak compete directly with other food > > Absolutely irrelevant You seem to think that the drama which comes > with competition is not as appreciated unless you support one of the > competitors. Seems that the whole idea is "strange". > But who enjoyed the MU 1 ---,Liverpool 4 game the most as a match. > Who enjoyed the football? The mistakes? The drama? Me, who could > not care less about the result, or the thousands of pissed off Man U fans? > > My list above is absolutely valid. It shows that it is possible, even very > common, > to have a love for,,,,, appreciation .....passion - call it what you > like- for > something without having a favourite. > > Believe it or not. I probably enjoyed Man U's last CL performance ( and > Arsenals) > just as much as you or their fans. > > LC > I couldn't disagree more. I'm even going to bother with this, the evidence is all around and you don't even have to experience the highs and lows, irrational as they may be, to acknowledge, that to watch a game without any emotional involvement, dulls the intensity of the experience.
From: Red Rackham on 12 Mar 2010 10:44 "Lescor" <lescor(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message news:4d-dncXU16TmhwfWnZ2dnUVZ8kednZ2d(a)bt.com... > > > "DC" <a(a)a.com> wrote in message news:op.u9epf3mbwgp685(a)gateway-pc.lan... >> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:57:42 -0000, Google Beta User >> <wanyikuli(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Mar 11, 7:03 am, DC <a...(a)a.com> wrote: >>> >>>> In the same way as Man Utd compete directly with Liverpool, Arsenal, >>>> and Chelsea? >>> >>> And in any case I'm a Liverpool fan, but I can enjoy Ronaldo, support >>> England, enjoy a Barcelona vs. Real Madrid game, hate Brazil, watch >>> the Africa CUp of Nations, etc etc. >>> >>> IT's not either/or. >>> >>> >> >> It can be enjoyed but at the very heart of human nature is a pack/Tribal >> nature a sense of belonging and to be an avid football fan and not be a >> part of that seems not very human to most and that is why many doubt >> Lescor. He is either thus highly likely to be one or a combination of the >> following. >> >> a) Lying >> b) Not Human >> c) Wind up Merchant >> d) Lacking something psychologically. >> e) Removed from the psychological source of football rivalry. >> f) Very low testosterone, possibly female, and a loner. > > > LOL.........but you left out one. A free thinking individual. > > You know, someone who doesn't need the comfort of belonging > to a mob, group or faction and to faithfully follow them because > .....because?.............because? err....because.... well. because > that > is what we all do! > > I probably wouldn't have joined the Hitler youth or Nazi party either That's funny, for a significant number of Chelsea fans like you, they're the same thing.
From: Legend-11 on 12 Mar 2010 21:01
On 11/03/2010 22:13, REDDEVIL6(a)nospam.net wrote: > On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:43:39 +0000, Legend-11 > <Slitheen23(a)dropallthisgooglemail.com> wrote: > >> On 11/03/2010 14:48, DC wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:42:44 -0000, Baldoni<BaldoniXXV(a)googlemail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> DC pretended : >>>>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:57:42 -0000, Google Beta User >>>>> <wanyikuli(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 11, 7:03 am, DC<a...(a)a.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> In the same way as Man Utd compete directly with Liverpool, >>>>>>> Arsenal, and Chelsea? >>>>>> >>>>>> And in any case I'm a Liverpool fan, but I can enjoy Ronaldo, support >>>>>> England, enjoy a Barcelona vs. Real Madrid game, hate Brazil, watch >>>>>> the Africa CUp of Nations, etc etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> IT's not either/or. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It can be enjoyed but at the very heart of human nature is a >>>>> pack/Tribal nature a sense of belonging and to be an avid football >>>>> fan and not be a part of that seems not very human to most and that >>>>> is why many doubt Lescor. He is either thus highly likely to be one >>>>> or a combination of the following. >>>>> >>>>> a) Lying >>>>> b) Not Human >>>>> c) Wind up Merchant >>>>> d) Lacking something psychologically. >>>>> e) Removed from the psychological source of football rivalry. >>>>> f) Very low testosterone, possibly female, and a loner. >>>> >>>> Would you believe that Bruce Forsythe claimed to watch Arsenal and >>>> Spurs on alternate weekends. I am not having that. >>>> >>> >>> There are of course those that swing both ways. >>> >> >> I follow the fortunes of Celtic.....but it is nothing like my love for >> Manchester United. That I feel deep down in my soul...totally different >> things and you can only truly support one team. I also like to follow >> the fortunes of FCUM....same goes. >> >> But Arsenal/Spurs? They hate each other....couldn't see there being a >> fan of both. > > In the 50s and 60s when travel wasn't so easy the working man would > often attend local games only. Many City and United fans went to both > Manchester clubs home games (me included). I stood on the Stretford > End for about 20 years next to a bloke who was a true blue City fan. > It how thing's were back then. > I remember telling you this in the past, but as a little kid my uncle bought me a season ticket for Main Rd for a few years...even though I was red all over. It was the only way to get to see live football, as my dad worked away and we're the only reds in the family. As soon as it was possible, my dad and I were going to Old Trafford....and my uncle got his heart broke. I wouldn't swap it for the world though....he was my great uncle and I loved spending time with him. He was very old.....he took my Mum to almost every ground in the country for Man City away games when she was a little girl. When he died, there was a tribute for him by the announcer at Main Road and he got a round of applause. -- Legend-11 Manchester United - Premiership Champions Three Times Running. |