I think a takeover deal is done
in [Liverpool]
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From: Mentalguy2k8 on 3 Aug 2010 16:41 "bofh" <lancj2(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:ed5b0240-4875-425b-a564-c65f41151bfb(a)t20g2000yqa.googlegroups.com... On 3 Aug, 19:54, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "michael adams" <mjadam...(a)ontel.net.uk> wrote in message > > news:8br3phFo0sU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > > > > > > > "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > >news:BbY5o.103990$zo4.69154(a)hurricane... > > >> "bofh" <lan...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > >>news:63dcd9e1-a56e-4b2c-b018-5bc05a0c7e2a(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... > >> > On 3 Aug, 16:09, "michael adams" <mjadam...(a)ontel.net.uk> wrote: > > >> >> According to what's appeared in the press he's never said any > >> >> different > >> >> to > >> >> anyone, his agent, assuming he has one, has never said any > >> >> different, > >> >> either. > >> >> The only people who ever claimed Torres was unsettled were Man City > >> >> and > >> >> Chelsea who are desperate to sign him and the hacks who feed off > >> >> their > >> >> press releases and will print just any old shite just to stay in > >> >> their > >> >> good books. > > >> > ..and Mental, who wants him sold. > > >> I said we should sell him if he doesn't want to stay. > > > <quote> > > > Happily for Hodgson the man from Fuenlabrada, a working-class Madrid > > outskirt, > > is big on quaintly old-fashioned concepts such as loyalty and community > > identity. > > Were he English, a distinctly non-stereotypical 'star' frequently seen > > walking his > > dogs in Liverpool parks would probably be a perfect poster boy for David > > Cameron's > > 'big society'. > > > Moreover, in a world where leading strikers frequently see themselves as > > expensive > > guns always discreetly available for hire to the highest bidder, Torres > > shuns > > the idea of a mercenary's life. > > > A natural desire for involvement in realistic pursuits of the game's > > biggest > > domestic prizes is tempered by the real contentment he feels on > > Merseyside > > where Liverpool FC retains a considerable pull on his emotions. > > > Torres � who said he would struggle to play for another team in Spain > > after > > reluctantly leaving Atl�tico Madrid for England � swiftly became > > similarly > > attached to an atmospheric, evocative Anfield habitat which appeals to > > his > > romantic streak. Visitors to the home he shares with his pregnant wife > > and > > one-year-old daughter are constantly surprised by the number of > > well-thumbed > > books and oft viewed DVDs detailing the club and city's history. > > > "What my club represents is very important," he says. "If you know what > > your > > club stands for and you are part of it you will play better because it > > means > > more to you. Every time I pull on a Liverpool shirt I know it's more > > than > > just > > a game. Liverpool has a mentality, an identity, I like. They are a > > hard-working > > people's club. They are huge but with a humility > > > </quote> > > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/aug/03/fernando-torres-l... > > It's a shame Torres and Gerrard couldn't have spared a couple of minutes > to > pledge their allegiance and commitment to Liverpool at the end of last > season, or during the World Cup. It would have saved a lot of speculation, > and stopped people assuming that both of them were listening to other > offers!- Hide quoted text - >Mental - why though ? They have silly long contracts - why do >Liverpool players seemingly have to declare their loyalty at every >transfer window, Because then we have a situation like we have now, with two players who (in my opinion) have only stayed because either nobody else wanted/could afford them, or certain "conditions" were met by Liverpool to ensure that they stayed. That's only my opinion, and I'll repeat that i'm not having a go at them, it's pretty standard procedure for most players. Ashley Cole is having the same stuff written about him too. You have to ask why, when the first sign of gossip starts, a player doesn't immediately jump on it. It's not difficult to tell your agent during your regular contact, to pass on a public statement of commitment on your behalf. It doesn't do a player any good to have stories linking him to other clubs for weeks, while he refuses to comment. I think Torres and Gerrard both explored other options (Gerrard's got form for it after all), both demanded assurances over investment and ownership, and only then did they decide that Liverpool was the only club in the world that they wanted to play for. But I'm cynical like that.
From: Mentalguy2k8 on 3 Aug 2010 17:14 "michael adams" <mjadams25(a)ontel.net.uk> wrote in message news:8brd13Fh0tU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:fQ_5o.17261$7Z3.11953(a)hurricane... >> >> "michael adams" <mjadams25(a)ontel.net.uk> wrote in message >> news:8brab2F113U1(a)mid.individual.net... >> >> > And confirmed that they'd both stopped beating their wives, while they >> > were at it I suppose. >> >> Ummm... yeah Ok. >> >> I'm just saying that the whole world knew there would be speculation over >> both of them during the summer, so why not just make a short statement on >> the last day of last season and say "I'm staying at Liverpool next >> season, >> now leave me alone"? > > As in "The Board has full confidence in the manager." you mean ? Not really, because they've both said in the last couple of weeks, something which they could have said at the end of last season. What's changed between then and now? I'm sure we all expected the transfer speculation, they could have silenced all of that with one brief statement. I just hope they haven't both done a Mascherano and agreed, reluctantly, to give it "one more season".
From: michael adams on 3 Aug 2010 17:41 "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:yE%5o.69274$tB1.10547(a)hurricane... > > "michael adams" <mjadams25(a)ontel.net.uk> wrote in message > news:8brd13Fh0tU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > > "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:fQ_5o.17261$7Z3.11953(a)hurricane... > >> > >> "michael adams" <mjadams25(a)ontel.net.uk> wrote in message > >> news:8brab2F113U1(a)mid.individual.net... > >> > >> > And confirmed that they'd both stopped beating their wives, while they > >> > were at it I suppose. > >> > >> Ummm... yeah Ok. > >> > >> I'm just saying that the whole world knew there would be speculation over > >> both of them during the summer, so why not just make a short statement on > >> the last day of last season and say "I'm staying at Liverpool next > >> season, > >> now leave me alone"? > > > > As in "The Board has full confidence in the manager." you mean ? > > Not really, because they've both said in the last couple of weeks, something > which they could have said at the end of last season. Torres and Gerrard are two different people. How many more times ? Anyway, at the end of last season both Torres and Gerrard were concentrating on the forthcoming World Cup. That's what they were focussed on. > What's changed between > then and now? I'm sure we all expected the transfer speculation, they could > have silenced all of that with one brief statement. Exactly the opposite. As with the manager quote above, the press always work on the assumption that there's no smoke without fire. So why go out of your way to deny something - that they're open to offers - which might not even be true ? > > I just hope they haven't both done a Mascherano and agreed, reluctantly, to > give it "one more season". > Why ? Don't you expect Liverpool to do very well this year then ? Because clearly if Liverpool do well, then all these assumptions of yours can never come to fruition. That almost sounds as if you want Liverpool to fall to pieces, simply so that you can be proved correct. michael adams ....
From: lescor on 4 Aug 2010 06:17 "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:BBZ5o.30747$LU.3823(a)hurricane... > > "michael adams" <mjadams25(a)ontel.net.uk> wrote in message > news:8br3phFo0sU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> >> "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:BbY5o.103990$zo4.69154(a)hurricane... >>> >>> "bofh" <lancj2(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:63dcd9e1-a56e-4b2c-b018-5bc05a0c7e2a(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... >>> > On 3 Aug, 16:09, "michael adams" <mjadam...(a)ontel.net.uk> wrote: >>> > >>> >> >>> >> According to what's appeared in the press he's never said any >>> >> different >>> >> to >>> >> anyone, his agent, assuming he has one, has never said any different, >>> >> either. >>> >> The only people who ever claimed Torres was unsettled were Man City >>> >> and >>> >> Chelsea who are desperate to sign him and the hacks who feed off >>> >> their >>> >> press releases and will print just any old shite just to stay in >>> >> their >>> >> good books. >>> > >>> > ..and Mental, who wants him sold. >>> >>> I said we should sell him if he doesn't want to stay. >> >> <quote> >> >> Happily for Hodgson the man from Fuenlabrada, a working-class Madrid >> outskirt, >> is big on quaintly old-fashioned concepts such as loyalty and community >> identity. >> Were he English, a distinctly non-stereotypical 'star' frequently seen >> walking his >> dogs in Liverpool parks would probably be a perfect poster boy for David >> Cameron's >> 'big society'. >> >> Moreover, in a world where leading strikers frequently see themselves as >> expensive >> guns always discreetly available for hire to the highest bidder, Torres >> shuns >> the idea of a mercenary's life. >> >> A natural desire for involvement in realistic pursuits of the game's >> biggest >> domestic prizes is tempered by the real contentment he feels on >> Merseyside >> where Liverpool FC retains a considerable pull on his emotions. >> >> Torres � who said he would struggle to play for another team in Spain >> after >> reluctantly leaving Atl�tico Madrid for England � swiftly became >> similarly >> attached to an atmospheric, evocative Anfield habitat which appeals to >> his >> romantic streak. Visitors to the home he shares with his pregnant wife >> and >> one-year-old daughter are constantly surprised by the number of >> well-thumbed >> books and oft viewed DVDs detailing the club and city's history. >> >> "What my club represents is very important," he says. "If you know what >> your >> club stands for and you are part of it you will play better because it >> means >> more to you. Every time I pull on a Liverpool shirt I know it's more than >> just >> a game. Liverpool has a mentality, an identity, I like. They are a >> hard-working >> people's club. They are huge but with a humility >> >> </quote> >> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/aug/03/fernando-torres-liverpool > > It's a shame Torres and Gerrard couldn't have spared a couple of minutes > to pledge their allegiance and commitment to Liverpool at the end of last > season, or during the World Cup. It would have saved a lot of speculation, > and stopped people assuming that both of them were listening to other > offers! Dead right! Just what I was about to say. It is amazing how fans waiver between the need to see their stars as saints or sinners, a quality decided by whether they stay or go. Liverpool FC obviously came second in Torres' thinking. His decision to stay is not for the love of the club before anything else, otherwise he could have stopped all speculation weeks ago. Seems the new managers flying visit, plus the new ownership have swung the outcome. The media speculation was created by his silence, not by some anti Pool media bias. The same thing happened when badge kissing Terry was deciding on his financial future at Man City for several weeks. Would Torres ( and possibly SG ? ) still be at L'pool if there was no sign of new owners and fresh cash input? Their long silence makes it very doubtful. Loyalty with conditions is not much of a loyalty after a man has signed a contract which has years to run. It becomes far more a matter of how well can the club do for me in the near future, rather than how much I can do for the club. Maybe this is the correct and only approach for the players who only have a short career at the top, but what is a bit sickening is this sort of loyalty garbage printed above after deciding to stay. " I never thought about leaving for one moment"...............lol...........no, of course you didn't mate. LC
From: lescor on 4 Aug 2010 06:22
"michael adams" <mjadams25(a)ontel.net.uk> wrote in message news:8brab2F113U1(a)mid.individual.net... > > "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:BBZ5o.30747$LU.3823(a)hurricane... >> >> "michael adams" <mjadams25(a)ontel.net.uk> wrote in message >> news:8br3phFo0sU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> > >> > "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> > news:BbY5o.103990$zo4.69154(a)hurricane... >> >> >> >> "bofh" <lancj2(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> news:63dcd9e1-a56e-4b2c-b018-5bc05a0c7e2a(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... >> >> > On 3 Aug, 16:09, "michael adams" <mjadam...(a)ontel.net.uk> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> According to what's appeared in the press he's never said any >> >> >> different >> >> >> to >> >> >> anyone, his agent, assuming he has one, has never said any >> >> >> different, >> >> >> either. >> >> >> The only people who ever claimed Torres was unsettled were Man City >> >> >> and >> >> >> Chelsea who are desperate to sign him and the hacks who feed off >> >> >> their >> >> >> press releases and will print just any old shite just to stay in >> >> >> their >> >> >> good books. >> >> > >> >> > ..and Mental, who wants him sold. >> >> >> >> I said we should sell him if he doesn't want to stay. >> > >> > <quote> >> > >> > Happily for Hodgson the man from Fuenlabrada, a working-class Madrid >> > outskirt, >> > is big on quaintly old-fashioned concepts such as loyalty and community >> > identity. >> > Were he English, a distinctly non-stereotypical 'star' frequently seen >> > walking his >> > dogs in Liverpool parks would probably be a perfect poster boy for >> > David >> > Cameron's >> > 'big society'. >> > >> > Moreover, in a world where leading strikers frequently see themselves >> > as >> > expensive >> > guns always discreetly available for hire to the highest bidder, Torres >> > shuns >> > the idea of a mercenary's life. >> > >> > A natural desire for involvement in realistic pursuits of the game's >> > biggest >> > domestic prizes is tempered by the real contentment he feels on >> > Merseyside >> > where Liverpool FC retains a considerable pull on his emotions. >> > >> > Torres - who said he would struggle to play for another team in Spain >> > after >> > reluctantly leaving Atl�tico Madrid for England - swiftly became >> > similarly >> > attached to an atmospheric, evocative Anfield habitat which appeals to >> > his >> > romantic streak. Visitors to the home he shares with his pregnant wife >> > and >> > one-year-old daughter are constantly surprised by the number of >> > well-thumbed >> > books and oft viewed DVDs detailing the club and city's history. >> > >> > "What my club represents is very important," he says. "If you know what >> > your >> > club stands for and you are part of it you will play better because it >> > means >> > more to you. Every time I pull on a Liverpool shirt I know it's more >> > than >> > just >> > a game. Liverpool has a mentality, an identity, I like. They are a >> > hard-working >> > people's club. They are huge but with a humility >> > >> > </quote> >> > >> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/aug/03/fernando-torres-liverpool >> >> It's a shame Torres and Gerrard > > > Who mentioned Stevie ? > > Unlike Torres, Gerrard has been itching to leave on and off since > before Rafa took over. He had to be persuaded to stay. > > The only time Torres looked really pissed off was when he was subbed > without explanation. > > I'd imagine the first thing Hodgson said to him was "you wanna play > all 90 minutes son, you can play all ninety minutes with me. No arguments. > And no more scribbling in f*cking notebooks either. > > >> couldn't have spared a couple of minutes to >> pledge their allegiance and commitment to Liverpool at the end of last >> season, or during the World Cup. > > And confirmed that they'd both stopped beating their wives, while they > were at it I suppose. No. Just that I have a contract with the club and intend to honour it. LC > |