I think a takeover deal is done
in [Liverpool]
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From: michael adams on 3 Aug 2010 15:02 "Motster" <spamkiller(a)wherever.com> wrote in message news:nUY5o.53368$2%2.1703(a)hurricane... > > > "Google Beta User" <wanyikuli(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:e3bd024a-e15b-4ebf-bf8f-c804baaa4c76(a)j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... > On Aug 3, 11:09 am, "michael adams" <mjadam...(a)ontel.net.uk> wrote: > > > The only fly in the ointment hanging over any sale of the club, is that > > the price now being asked is much considerably lower than Hicks and Gillet > > were originally asking. Although it will still allow them to walk away > > with > > a profit. > > Can the banks force a sale? Is it up to the LFC board, or to Hicks/ > Gillette? > > > To answer your questions. > Yes, Yes & No in that order. > > RBS as part of the latest debt restructuring forced a change on to the LFC > board voting majorities. This was because Hicks & Gillette / the club could > not repay the debt at a rate RBS were happy with. I stand to be corrected, but... While its true that RBS insisting on the 6 man Board led to Hicks and Gilette losing day to day control of the club*, I'm not sure that any decision by the Board can force them to sell their shares if they don't want to. The Board can only decide policy for the club but it can't force directors to act against what they believe is their own best interests. . Otherwise what's to stop the other 4 members of the Board from voting that Gillet and Hicks must sell all their shares to them, or maybe friends of theirs, at say 1p each ? If they fall behind with their repayments to RBS and their other creditors then that's another matter * which was essentially was just window dressing to make the club more saleable, and to prevent G$H from raising cash by selling off players etc. michael adams .... > > It basically boils down to if the rest of the board (excepting Hicks & > Gillette) agree to a sale then Hicks & Gillette cannot block it. > > RBS have the ultimate sanction of forcing the club into administration and > taking control themselves if Hicks, Gillette or the board start playing > silly buggars over the sale. > > Upshot of all this is that the �800 million asking price that Hicks & > Gillette touted around last year is meaningless and it is RBS that will > dictate the selling price. > > > > > > >
From: michael adams on 3 Aug 2010 15:53 "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:BBZ5o.30747$LU.3823(a)hurricane... > > "michael adams" <mjadams25(a)ontel.net.uk> wrote in message > news:8br3phFo0sU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > > "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:BbY5o.103990$zo4.69154(a)hurricane... > >> > >> "bofh" <lancj2(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > >> news:63dcd9e1-a56e-4b2c-b018-5bc05a0c7e2a(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... > >> > On 3 Aug, 16:09, "michael adams" <mjadam...(a)ontel.net.uk> wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> According to what's appeared in the press he's never said any > >> >> different > >> >> to > >> >> anyone, his agent, assuming he has one, has never said any different, > >> >> either. > >> >> The only people who ever claimed Torres was unsettled were Man City > >> >> and > >> >> Chelsea who are desperate to sign him and the hacks who feed off their > >> >> press releases and will print just any old shite just to stay in their > >> >> good books. > >> > > >> > ..and Mental, who wants him sold. > >> > >> I said we should sell him if he doesn't want to stay. > > > > <quote> > > > > Happily for Hodgson the man from Fuenlabrada, a working-class Madrid > > outskirt, > > is big on quaintly old-fashioned concepts such as loyalty and community > > identity. > > Were he English, a distinctly non-stereotypical 'star' frequently seen > > walking his > > dogs in Liverpool parks would probably be a perfect poster boy for David > > Cameron's > > 'big society'. > > > > Moreover, in a world where leading strikers frequently see themselves as > > expensive > > guns always discreetly available for hire to the highest bidder, Torres > > shuns > > the idea of a mercenary's life. > > > > A natural desire for involvement in realistic pursuits of the game's > > biggest > > domestic prizes is tempered by the real contentment he feels on Merseyside > > where Liverpool FC retains a considerable pull on his emotions. > > > > Torres � who said he would struggle to play for another team in Spain > > after > > reluctantly leaving Atl�tico Madrid for England � swiftly became similarly > > attached to an atmospheric, evocative Anfield habitat which appeals to his > > romantic streak. Visitors to the home he shares with his pregnant wife and > > one-year-old daughter are constantly surprised by the number of > > well-thumbed > > books and oft viewed DVDs detailing the club and city's history. > > > > "What my club represents is very important," he says. "If you know what > > your > > club stands for and you are part of it you will play better because it > > means > > more to you. Every time I pull on a Liverpool shirt I know it's more than > > just > > a game. Liverpool has a mentality, an identity, I like. They are a > > hard-working > > people's club. They are huge but with a humility > > > > </quote> > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/aug/03/fernando-torres-liverpool > > It's a shame Torres and Gerrard Who mentioned Stevie ? Unlike Torres, Gerrard has been itching to leave on and off since before Rafa took over. He had to be persuaded to stay. The only time Torres looked really pissed off was when he was subbed without explanation. I'd imagine the first thing Hodgson said to him was "you wanna play all 90 minutes son, you can play all ninety minutes with me. No arguments. And no more scribbling in f*cking notebooks either. > couldn't have spared a couple of minutes to > pledge their allegiance and commitment to Liverpool at the end of last > season, or during the World Cup. And confirmed that they'd both stopped beating their wives, while they were at it I suppose. > It would have saved a lot of speculation, > and stopped people assuming that both of them were listening to other > offers! michael adams .... >
From: Mentalguy2k8 on 3 Aug 2010 16:18 "michael adams" <mjadams25(a)ontel.net.uk> wrote in message news:8brab2F113U1(a)mid.individual.net... > And confirmed that they'd both stopped beating their wives, while they > were at it I suppose. Ummm... yeah Ok. I'm just saying that the whole world knew there would be speculation over both of them during the summer, so why not just make a short statement on the last day of last season and say "I'm staying at Liverpool next season, now leave me alone"? I don't think for one minute that either of them decided to stay because playing for Liverpool means more to them than anything else. But that makes them no different to most other players, I'm not knocking them. But we have to be honest and admit that Torres having a cupboard full of Liverpool DVDs doesn't really mean much in the big scheme of things. If he hadn't been given whatever assurances he was allegedly demanding, he'd be browsing HMV in another city in another country.
From: bofh on 3 Aug 2010 16:32 On 3 Aug, 19:54, "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "michael adams" <mjadam...(a)ontel.net.uk> wrote in message > > news:8br3phFo0sU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > > > > > > > "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > >news:BbY5o.103990$zo4.69154(a)hurricane... > > >> "bofh" <lan...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > >>news:63dcd9e1-a56e-4b2c-b018-5bc05a0c7e2a(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com.... > >> > On 3 Aug, 16:09, "michael adams" <mjadam...(a)ontel.net.uk> wrote: > > >> >> According to what's appeared in the press he's never said any > >> >> different > >> >> to > >> >> anyone, his agent, assuming he has one, has never said any different, > >> >> either. > >> >> The only people who ever claimed Torres was unsettled were Man City > >> >> and > >> >> Chelsea who are desperate to sign him and the hacks who feed off their > >> >> press releases and will print just any old shite just to stay in their > >> >> good books. > > >> > ..and Mental, who wants him sold. > > >> I said we should sell him if he doesn't want to stay. > > > <quote> > > > Happily for Hodgson the man from Fuenlabrada, a working-class Madrid > > outskirt, > > is big on quaintly old-fashioned concepts such as loyalty and community > > identity. > > Were he English, a distinctly non-stereotypical 'star' frequently seen > > walking his > > dogs in Liverpool parks would probably be a perfect poster boy for David > > Cameron's > > 'big society'. > > > Moreover, in a world where leading strikers frequently see themselves as > > expensive > > guns always discreetly available for hire to the highest bidder, Torres > > shuns > > the idea of a mercenary's life. > > > A natural desire for involvement in realistic pursuits of the game's > > biggest > > domestic prizes is tempered by the real contentment he feels on Merseyside > > where Liverpool FC retains a considerable pull on his emotions. > > > Torres who said he would struggle to play for another team in Spain > > after > > reluctantly leaving Atlético Madrid for England swiftly became similarly > > attached to an atmospheric, evocative Anfield habitat which appeals to his > > romantic streak. Visitors to the home he shares with his pregnant wife and > > one-year-old daughter are constantly surprised by the number of > > well-thumbed > > books and oft viewed DVDs detailing the club and city's history. > > > "What my club represents is very important," he says. "If you know what > > your > > club stands for and you are part of it you will play better because it > > means > > more to you. Every time I pull on a Liverpool shirt I know it's more than > > just > > a game. Liverpool has a mentality, an identity, I like. They are a > > hard-working > > people's club. They are huge but with a humility > > > </quote> > > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/aug/03/fernando-torres-l... > > It's a shame Torres and Gerrard couldn't have spared a couple of minutes to > pledge their allegiance and commitment to Liverpool at the end of last > season, or during the World Cup. It would have saved a lot of speculation, > and stopped people assuming that both of them were listening to other > offers!- Hide quoted text - Mental - why though ? They have silly long contracts - why do Liverpool players seemingly have to declare their loyalty at every transfer window, when players from other clubs dont have to. Rio, Rooney, Terry, Lampard etc. Not a squeak - so are they leaving. Thats the point I was making earlier - the media have to have something to beat Liverpool with it seems
From: michael adams on 3 Aug 2010 16:39
"Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy2k8(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:fQ_5o.17261$7Z3.11953(a)hurricane... > > "michael adams" <mjadams25(a)ontel.net.uk> wrote in message > news:8brab2F113U1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > And confirmed that they'd both stopped beating their wives, while they > > were at it I suppose. > > Ummm... yeah Ok. > > I'm just saying that the whole world knew there would be speculation over > both of them during the summer, so why not just make a short statement on > the last day of last season and say "I'm staying at Liverpool next season, > now leave me alone"? As in "The Board has full confidence in the manager." you mean ? > > I don't think for one minute that either of them decided to stay because > playing for Liverpool means more to them than anything else. But that makes > them no different to most other players, I'm not knocking them. But we have > to be honest and admit that Torres having a cupboard full of Liverpool DVDs > doesn't really mean much in the big scheme of things. If he hadn't been > given whatever assurances he was allegedly demanding, he'd be browsing HMV > in another city in another country. He wasn't "demanding" any assurances. The only reason he left Atletico Madrid was because they never qualify for the Champions League. Presumably its the top two in Spain which are Real and Barca. He'd be a cast iron mug to swear allegiance to a second club which similarly had no hope of qualifying for the CL. A realistic chance is all he expects. michael adams Just reading "Kicking and Screaming." When Trevor Ford was transferred to Sunderland he was promised an extra �5 for every goal he scored. As this was an "under the counter payment", after the match a certain director would challenge Ford to a game of snooker at �5 a frame. The director always lost. Even in the 50's International players had to make their own way to home fixtures by train and bus. After the matches they queued up at the various Wembley stations same as everyone else. They could only claim for buses and 2nd class rail fares. One player was late and took a taxi and had to pay out of his own pocket. > > |