Futbolmetrix vs. Clément (Miniger matchday 4 match 2)
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From: milivella on 13 Apr 2010 08:57 milivella: > Indeed Transfermarkt has he valued at 8.500.000 (third in > Eeredivisie, after Suarez and Afellay), while Tonetto is just > 2.000.000 Of course age (23 vs. 35) has a great weight in this! -- Cheers milivella
From: Futbolmetrix on 13 Apr 2010 09:21 On Apr 13, 2:58 am, milivella <milive...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Futbolmetrix: > > > > 1. Carey, Louis 66 - 62 Evanilson > > > SupermegaAAARGH! There goes my whole strategy, there goes the game. > > Your sources are bad ;)http://www.footballdatabase.eu/football.joueurs.louis.carey.9524.en.htmlhttp://www.football-lineups.com/footballer/11641/ Memo to self: next time use football-lineups.com rather than IM scouting. In any case, my AARGh was about Evanilson, not Carey. The guy is a former Brazilian NT player, 13 points in FS and 36 points in CLFS, and definitely, unquestionably, a dedicated right back! Should have been much higher than 62. There's always some South American that screws me up. > > > The next matchups are going to be key. Whose out-of position DMs will not > > kill their team's score? > > > 7. Winsnes, Fredrik 66 - 38 Maza Rodr guez > > > Congrats, Luiz. You win. > > My sympathy goes to you, but I don't really get your strategy: even if > you assumed that Winsnes is not a central midfielder (and he probably > is...http://www.football-lineups.com/footballer/6107/), why prefer a > defender to a wide midfielder? Think of a generic central defender > (Vidic?), and imagine him playing DM; now think of a generic wide > midfielder (Giggs?), and imagine him playing CM. I would take the wide > midfielder all my life: it's far more probable that he's settled as > CM. I obviously overinterpreted the lessons from the previous match. Remember that back then I was sure that I was going to kill Abubakr at the RD and LD positions, but he slotted in some midfielders (Petre and Davids) there and won the match. So my assumption was that a central defender would do better in CM than a winger (Giggs actually has played a few games at CM. But would you put Marchionni or Tonetto there?) Also, because of the last match I decided to trust only the main position a player is listed at. Kaya and Luna were supposed to be able to play at RM and RB respectively, and they killed my score. Fresi, on the other hand, picked by Abubakr, who has been useless his entire career playing mostly at CD and now is in some Serie D side, also scored a respectable 60 at CM. Bottom line, whatever I do, I screw up. But i'm still challenging TraBOTtoni. > > > > 8. Dzsudzs k, Bal zs 77 - 71 Tonetto, Max > > > Yeah, yeah, yeah. > > Yes, debatable. No, that's not what I meant. The Dude was quite clearly the best LM in the draft, and probably the second best player altogether, after bleeping Evanilson! > > > 9. Mostto, Miguel 66 - 61 Coulibaly, Elimane > > > There goes my last hope. The unknown Southamerican screwing up your score. > > Maybe Coulibaly, at 1m83cm and 81 kg is more of a target striker... > (BTW, how many Coulibaly's are out there?!) I know he is. The question is whether poor little David Pino (a fast striker who doesn't seem to even play much in Segunda B) would have scored better here. D
From: milivella on 13 Apr 2010 10:02 Futbolmetrix: > On Apr 13, 2:58 am, milivella <milive...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Futbolmetrix: > > > > > 1. Carey, Louis 66 - 62 Evanilson > > > > SupermegaAAARGH! There goes my whole strategy, there goes the game. > > > Your sources are bad ;)http://www.footballdatabase.eu/football.joueurs.louis.carey.9524.en.h... > > Memo to self: next time use football-lineups.com rather than IM > scouting. Why not both? (I know, because it takes twice the time.) > In any case, my AARGh was about Evanilson, not Carey. The guy is a > former Brazilian NT player, 13 points in FS and 36 points in CLFS, and > definitely, unquestionably, a dedicated right back! Should have been > much higher than 62. FM scouts just think that he sucks. Badly. > > My sympathy goes to you, but I don't really get your strategy: even if > > you assumed that Winsnes is not a central midfielder (and he probably > > is...http://www.football-lineups.com/footballer/6107/), why prefer a > > defender to a wide midfielder? Think of a generic central defender > > (Vidic?), and imagine him playing DM; now think of a generic wide > > midfielder (Giggs?), and imagine him playing CM. I would take the wide > > midfielder all my life: it's far more probable that he's settled as > > CM. > > I obviously overinterpreted the lessons from the previous match. > Remember that back then I was sure that I was going to kill Abubakr at > the RD and LD positions, but he slotted in some midfielders (Petre and > Davids) there and won the match. So my assumption was that a central > defender would do better in CM than a winger (Giggs actually has > played a few games at CM. But would you put Marchionni or Tonetto > there?) After all you're right. :) > Also, because of the last match I decided to trust only the > main position a player is listed at. Kaya and Luna were supposed to be > able to play at RM and RB respectively, and they killed my score. Miniger Law of Murphy: if a player is supposed to have a secondary position... it depends: if he's a player of yours, he will suck; if he has been picked from your opponent, he will perform superbly. > Fresi, on the other hand, picked by Abubakr, who has been useless his > entire career playing mostly at CD and now is in some Serie D side, > also scored a respectable 60 at CM. Right. But Hodgson played Fresi as midfielder (with horrendous results, of course), so he has some experience in that position. > Bottom line, whatever I do, I screw up. ....a shorter version of the Miniger Law of Murphy... > But i'm still challenging > TraBOTtoni. After the end of the Miniger tournament, right? I think you'll win: once you know how to play, if you aren't unlucky you should win against a player with almost perfect information but no strategy. > > > > 8. Dzsudzs k, Bal zs 77 - 71 Tonetto, Max > > > > Yeah, yeah, yeah. > > > Yes, debatable. > > No, that's not what I meant. The Dude was quite clearly the best LM in > the draft, and probably the second best player altogether Sorry, I misinterpreted. I can't confess that I didn't know about the Dude before today. (I mean, _this_ Dude. I had my share of Jeff Lebowski.) -- Cheers milivella
From: Clément on 13 Apr 2010 18:01
On Apr 13, 5:39 am, Werner Pichler wrote: > > From the little I've seen of PSV in this year's Europa League and > some highlights, Dzsudzsák looked like their best player. Very > good dribbler, fast and with a decent shot. His immaturity (getting > himself sent off for touching the referee) cost PSV dearly against > HSV. I'm pretty sure we'll soon see him on a bigger stage. Thanks for the info. I didn't mean to imply he was an inferior player than Tonetto, it's just that I had heard about him before, so I didn't know what to expect. Abraço, Luiz Mello |