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From: JCQ on 9 Jul 2010 15:12
On Jul 8, 9:06 pm, "The Scrutineer" <vla...(a)bigpond.com> wrote:
> > People like to talk about the negatives of this world cup but there
> > are 2 key things that have made this the most believable and fairest
> > world cup ever. Number one is that the home team was not helped by the
> > refs. In the past the refs have favored the home sides so much that it
> > made many people think that any match could be fixed or influenced.
> > Number two is that the big teams and past winners were always favored
> > when facing weaker sides. A last minute penalty call, a non call on a
> > clear penalty, or just tilting the field by calling more fouls against
> > the other team. In this tournament the refs were not perfect but they
> > were fair. Paraguay had a penalty called for them against Spain!
> > France, Italy, and South Africa, did not make it out of the first
> > round! A penalty was actually called against the home team in the
> > group stage! Brazil had to play without any extra help from the refs.
> > Kaka even got a red card on a questionable call! In the past the bad
> > calls and bad luck usually went to the underdogs alone.
>
> > Have FIFA made an effort to make the world cup more fair? I don't
> > think all these things are a coincidence. It's nice that all of the
> > teams were finally treated equally.
>
> Depends on which side of the fence you are on, for me, the inconsistencies
> of awarding cards have been very consistent, and for the old saying
> *everything levels out by the end* I can name 4-5 teams that are out of the
> WC who are still waiting for their luck to breakeven!!!

That's true but in this world cup you got the sense that it could
happen to anyone. In the past certain teams and the home team were
immune. Things never even out in a short tournament like this. The
best team could only win if they played a 38 game league schedule. You
need luck in order to win, some teams need more luck than others.
Spain haven't had too much luck and they are in the final.
From: JCQ on 9 Jul 2010 15:17
On Jul 9, 11:37 am, JGN <jagon...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 9, 10:14 am, Mehdi <Be...(a)soccer-europe.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >  > Subject : Fairest world cup ever!
> >  > From : vla...(a)bigpond.com
>
> >  > Depends on which side of the fence you are on, for me, the
> >  > inconsistencies of awarding cards have been very consistent, and for the
> >  > old saying *everything levels out by the end* I can name 4-5 teams that
> >  > are out of the WC who are still waiting for their luck to breakeven!!!
>
> > The only positive was the officiating during the group stages. In the
> > knockout stages the officiating has been awful and it's no coincidence
> > that the two finalists are the teams who have benefited most from
> > favourable calls, especially Spain :
>
> > 1. Casillas foul on Derdiyok - no red card, no penalty
> > 2. Villa slaps Izaguirre in the face, no card
> > 3. Dive by Torres to get Estrada sent off
> > 4. Dive and playacting by Capdevilla to get Costa sent off
> > 5. Pique two handed foul on Cardozo, yellow card
> > 6. Spanish encroach on three penalties against Paraguay
> > 7. Ramos trips Ozil
> > 8. Ramos stamps on Podolski, no card, should have been a second yellow
>
> > Van Bommel committed half a dozen yellow card fouls against Brazil and
> > should have been sent off for a leg breaking foul on Gargano 18 minutes
> > into the Uruguay match.
>
> Spain has gotten a very lenient treatment during this WC. If I was of
> the tinfoil-hat-wearing brigade, I'd be screaming "FIX!!!"...

They play with clean intention and that gets the refs on their side.
No team is perfectly behaved but Spain are pretty good compared to
most of the teams. Remember that a penalty was given to Paraguay that
could have made the score 1-0 and it would have been very difficult
for Spain to score a goal if that happened. The officiating has been
poor after the group stage but I don't feel they looked to favor any
one team like in most of the other world cups where Brazil and some of
the other big teams have always been favored along with the home sides.
From: JCQ on 9 Jul 2010 15:18
On Jul 9, 2:28 pm, Lord of War <penc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 9, 11:37 am, JGN <jagon...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 9, 10:14 am, Mehdi <Be...(a)soccer-europe.com> wrote:
>
> > >  > Subject : Fairest world cup ever!
> > >  > From : vla...(a)bigpond.com
>
> > >  > Depends on which side of the fence you are on, for me, the
> > >  > inconsistencies of awarding cards have been very consistent, and for the
> > >  > old saying *everything levels out by the end* I can name 4-5 teams that
> > >  > are out of the WC who are still waiting for their luck to breakeven!!!
>
> > > The only positive was the officiating during the group stages. In the
> > > knockout stages the officiating has been awful and it's no coincidence
> > > that the two finalists are the teams who have benefited most from
> > > favourable calls, especially Spain :
>
> > > 1. Casillas foul on Derdiyok - no red card, no penalty
> > > 2. Villa slaps Izaguirre in the face, no card
> > > 3. Dive by Torres to get Estrada sent off
> > > 4. Dive and playacting by Capdevilla to get Costa sent off
> > > 5. Pique two handed foul on Cardozo, yellow card
> > > 6. Spanish encroach on three penalties against Paraguay
> > > 7. Ramos trips Ozil
> > > 8. Ramos stamps on Podolski, no card, should have been a second yellow
>
> > > Van Bommel committed half a dozen yellow card fouls against Brazil and
> > > should have been sent off for a leg breaking foul on Gargano 18 minutes
> > > into the Uruguay match.
>
> > Spain has gotten a very lenient treatment during this WC. If I was of
> > the tinfoil-hat-wearing brigade, I'd be screaming "FIX!!!"...- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Thet bribed the refs. Tjey were being investigated by FIFA but FIFA at
> one point went silent on the matter. This WC is fixed and if Spain
> wins true football fans WILL NOT accept them as champions.

I have a feeling you would only accept Italy as champions hehe. Don't
worry about Spain. If they win they will be considered one of the best
teams ever. I don't think I have seen better.
From: Mehdi on 9 Jul 2010 16:07
> Subject : Fairest world cup ever!
> From : jordi.uso(a)gmail.com

>> 1. Casillas foul on Derdiyok - no red card, no penalty
>
> A red can only follow 'negating a clear scoring chance' they scored,
> so no need to call.

In most cases the ref would have blown for a penalty. What happens if
the Swiss don't score? No card I guess given how the refs have
officiated Spain and the Dutch.

>> 2. Villa slaps Izaguirre in the face, no card
>
> Right after the keeper and Izaguirre both deliberately stomp on
> Villa's feet. 3 red cards would have been appropiate, so it wasn't
> precisely Spain who benefitted.
>
>> 3. Dive by Torres to get Estrada sent off
>
> That's Torres for you...
>
>> 4. Dive and playacting by Capdevilla to get Costa sent off
>
> Costa DID elbow Capdevila.

No he didn't.

> And in any case, it was one minute to the final whistle.

>> 6. Spanish encroach on three penalties against Paraguay
>
> And the ref failed to call a PK of Fabregas right after that.

See #1.

>> 7. Ramos trips Ozil
>
> Ozil tripped on his own, Ramos just happened to be nearby.

No. He was tripped.

>> 8. Ramos stamps on Podolski, no card, should have been a second yellow
>
> Which happened right after the ref failed to call IIRC Boateng
> tripping Ramos. Yellow and a dangerous FK not called.

A stamp isn't the same as a trip.


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From: Mehdi on 9 Jul 2010 16:12
> Subject : Fairest world cup ever!
> From : MHnospam(a)ucalgary.ca

> Simulation perhaps, in that he stayed collapsed on the ground for far
> too long, but I don't think he dived - he tripped after completely
> innocent contact with Estrada.

There was NO contact. Clear as crystal on HD. I'll get round to posting
the video sometime after the WC.

> And were denied a goal for one of them, and denied a penalty (because of
> encroachment perhaps?) on another. So only one injustice there.

They encroached on the first. If there's a re-take and Cardozo scores it
changes the completion of the game completely.


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