From: Joe Horowitz on 24 Jan 2010 13:04
"JC" <uksf_x(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> On 24/01/2010 3:49 PM, nigel wrote:
>> One thing surprised me about the Stoke-Arsenal match commentators (apart
>> from the pro-Arsenal bias by the pundits).
> I would hardly call Gareth Southgate's eulogies about Stoke playing to
> their strengths (i.e. being technically shite, kicking lumps out of people
> and playing the ball down the line in the hope of getting a throw-in)
> Arsenal bias. Hartson and Earle both said Stoke were much better than
> Arsenal in the 2nd half. Have your tried watching your TV with the sound
> turned up?
JC, I know you're new around here and everything, but as the Son of God you
should know that Nigel rarely lets facts compromise his viewpoint.
> Those games are all scheduled before the next round (13th Feb) so none of
> them would have been postponed in any event.
Again, you're kind of missing the point here. You may indeed be right, but
if so, this is merely another 'fact' and doesn't in any way detract from
Nigel's argument. If anything, you've strengthened it.
I just hope he goes as easy on you as he does on Ben and Mikey.
"I am the fat puddin', but a single puddingness" - Vicky Conlan
From: JC on 24 Jan 2010 13:53
> JC, I know you're new around here and everything,
Muhahahaha, my cunning disguise works..
From: nigel on 24 Jan 2010 14:34
> So Stoke played better football than Arsenal then, especially in the
> latter part of the half?
What constitutes better football? Pretty passes which lead nowhere or
long balls to tall men which lead to chances?
All other things being equal I think Arsenal are the best club in the
league to watch, but Stoke were more effective. Sure Arsenal dominated
possession and put cross after cross into the Stoke box but that's what
Stoke planned for because they won almost everything in the air.
>> R E P L A Y
> Move along, nothing to see here.
It turns out I was wrong.
Four games in a fortnight didn't mean midweek, weekend, midweek, weekend
- it meant midweek, weekend, a week off, weekend, midweek. The replay
would have been on 2nd or 3rd of February when Arsenal didn't have a
I think it's misleading to call that four games in a fortnight though.
From: nigel on 25 Jan 2010 07:44
> All other things being equal I think Arsenal are the best club in the
> league to watch
What a surprise that Maynor Figueroa's free kick against Stoke won the
MOTD December Goal-Of-The-Month-From-Furthest-Out competition. Sure it
looked spectacular but when acclaimed international strikers frequently
blaze high or wide from 6 yards out, you have to ask whether a goal from
that distance by a full-back was a fluke.
I prefer slow, patient build-ups where the attacking team rips a defence
to shreds before walking the ball into the net. Unfortunately Stoke
manage that about as often as a politician tells the truth.
From: nigel on 25 Jan 2010 10:35
Joe Horowitz wrote:
> When kicking a football, the margin for error is extremely small. From a
> low cross coming in hard from the side, the difference between slamming it
> into the roof of the net or blazing it over from six yards amounts to an
> area of about two inches across the ball, or a bobble of just an inch or so
> off the turf prior to contact.
I'm not convinced. If a footballer can't control the position of his
foot to a much smaller margin than two inches, he's not giving value for
money. Okay, he can't account for every bobble but he ought to be able
to despatch volleys in his sleep.
I'm currently trying to imagine what snooker would be like if the
proponents operated on a two-inch margin of error for their cue tips.
> When Figueroa scored that goal, I don't think the goal itself was a fluke.
> I think he meant to do it.
He certainly intended it - it was nicely flighted to go over Sorensen
and drop into the net, but whether he'd achieve the same result
consistently over, say, ten attempts must be dubious.
> When Bergkamp did that pirhouette against Newcastle, I think he meant to do
> that as well. Never mind that if he tried it ten more times it might not
> come off on any of them, in that moment he tried something and coordinated
> his mind and body correctly to achieve it. Not a fluke.
I'm not familiar with his pirouette, but 1 in 10 sounds like a fluke to
me. However I have high regard for Bergkamp and can well believe that
his success rate at such a manoeuvre would be far higher than most of
>>I prefer slow, patient build-ups where the attacking team rips a defence
>>to shreds before walking the ball into the net.
> I agree with this, though.
>>Unfortunately Stoke manage that about as often as a politician tells the
> Stoke rip a defence to shreds many thousands of times a day all over the
> world? I find that hard to believe.
Q. How can you tell when a politician's lying?
A. You can see his lips moving.