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From: Tony McChrystal on 25 Jan 2010 10:55 On 25 Jan, 15:35, nigel <use...(a)nospam.com> wrote: > Joe Horowitz wrote: > I'm not convinced. If a footballer can't control the position of his > foot to a much smaller margin than two inches, he's not giving value for > money. Okay, he can't account for every bobble but he ought to be able > to despatch volleys in his sleep. > > I'm currently trying to imagine what snooker would be like if the > proponents operated on a two-inch margin of error for their cue tips. If you want to compare like with like, you're probably best imagining Jimmy White getting two-footed by Steve Davis and slyly dragged back by the waistcoat by Ronnie O'Sullivan prior to his shot. Plus, he'd have to run at the table cue-in-hand to take his shot. No slow reciprocating cue movement or pointless finger tapping on the baize allowed. Otherwise, it's the worst comparison I've ever seen in my entire life. And I've been alive for, quite literally, a moderately long time.
From: nigel on 25 Jan 2010 11:42 Tony McChrystal wrote: > On 25 Jan, 15:35, nigel <use...(a)nospam.com> wrote: > >>Joe Horowitz wrote: > > >>I'm not convinced. If a footballer can't control the position of his >>foot to a much smaller margin than two inches, he's not giving value for >>money. Okay, he can't account for every bobble but he ought to be able >>to despatch volleys in his sleep. >> >>I'm currently trying to imagine what snooker would be like if the >>proponents operated on a two-inch margin of error for their cue tips. > > > If you want to compare like with like, you're probably best imagining > Jimmy White getting two-footed by Steve Davis and slyly dragged back > by the waistcoat by Ronnie O'Sullivan prior to his shot. Plus, he'd > have to run at the table cue-in-hand to take his shot. No slow > reciprocating cue movement or pointless finger tapping on the baize > allowed. Otherwise, it's the worst comparison I've ever seen in my > entire life. And I've been alive for, quite literally, a moderately > long time. > Agreed. A soccer ball is much larger than a snooker ball and has a bigger sweet spot so it should be easier.
From: nigel on 25 Jan 2010 12:18 Joe Horowitz wrote: > > I think, in percentage terms, the margins of error in > most sports are probably similar at the top level. Very small. > It would be interesting to compile a table of sports listing margin of error (eg 2mm over 6ft), typical pay of a professional, and the typical amount of time said professionals spend practising. I think footballers would not emerge covered in glory. > > No, he definitely wouldn't. That's my point. Does this mean it was 'luck'? > How many times out of ten does he have to be able to do it before it's > defined as 'skill' and not 'luck'? > Thinking about it more deeply, how much is a free-kick from that distance worth in terms of goal potential? I'd guess somewhere in the low hundredths. So if Figueroa could score from that situation one time in ten, it should probably be classed as skill rather than luck By that argument, it's fair to consider it a fluke when Defoe scores a penalty! > > Oh, come on. You know it. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DNfgibZO5o Thanks, I'll watch it later. > > Does that mean it is or isn't a fluke? > Probably not, but who knows for certain. >> >>Q. How can you tell when a politician's lying? >>A. You can see his lips moving. > > > It's an old joke, and an incredibly lame one that makes no real sense. It's > impossible for someone to always lie, and would take a mammoth amount of > concentration to get anywhere close. I disagree. You have only to watch party political broadcasts and politics shows to see how accomplished they are at telling untruths or lying by omission. > "There is no number 7" I read a sci-fi story many years back where aliens had conquered the earth after surreptitiously reprogramming all calculators without the number 7 so that our defence systems wouldn't work. Pre-computer days, obviously. I bet TMAK wasn't even born then, the young whippersnapper. > "Whatever. And tell me, dear, do you sometimes tell the truth?" > "Err... ye... I mean.. n.. no... I... " > "A ha!! Get out of that one" > "Hang on... I'm getting there.... sometimes I don't not... I mean..." > "Honey, just give up. You can't answer that question without contradicting > yourself whichever way you go, it's a stupid game" Heh, that one's been around the block a few times too.
From: Joe Horowitz on 25 Jan 2010 13:18 "nigel" <useweb(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:CI-dnTLBTetvVMDWnZ2dnUVZ7q9i4p2d(a)brightview.co.uk... > Tony McChrystal wrote: >> If you want to compare like with like, you're probably best imagining >> Jimmy White getting two-footed by Steve Davis and slyly dragged back >> by the waistcoat by Ronnie O'Sullivan prior to his shot. Plus, he'd >> have to run at the table cue-in-hand to take his shot. No slow >> reciprocating cue movement or pointless finger tapping on the baize >> allowed. Otherwise, it's the worst comparison I've ever seen in my >> entire life. And I've been alive for, quite literally, a moderately >> long time. >> > > Agreed. > > A soccer ball is much larger than a snooker ball and has a bigger sweet > spot so it should be easier. Yes, and a goal is much bigger than a snooker table pocket, so that must be easier as well. But the pocket is way closer than the hole on a golf green, and that's only a little bit bigger. When you actually do the maths, a top golfer should earn something like four thousand million trillion times as much as a footballer, because they sometimes get a 'hole in one' from, like, five hundred yards or whatever. Tiger Woods must have watched Figueroa's goal and thought 'that's difficult? I'm in the wrong sport'. -- Joe "I am the fat puddin', but a single puddingness" - Vicky Conlan
From: Joe Horowitz on 25 Jan 2010 13:26
"nigel" <useweb(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:xcadnaLP9KXOT8DWnZ2dnUVZ8lidnZ2d(a)brightview.co.uk... > I think footballers would not emerge covered in glory. I emerged covered in glory once. >> Does that mean it is or isn't a fluke? >> > > Probably not, but who knows for certain. Well, we'd have to arrive at a workable definition of 'fluke' first. I'm not convinced we have yet. > I disagree. You have only to watch party political broadcasts and politics > shows to see how accomplished they are at telling untruths or lying by > omission. Better to read a tabloid, eh? -- Joe "I am the fat puddin', but a single puddingness" - Vicky Conlan |