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From: Mart van de Wege on 10 Aug 2010 16:58 RED DEVIL <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> writes: > On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:30:49 +0200, Mart van de Wege > <mvdwege(a)mail.com> wrote: > >>RED DEVIL <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> writes: >> >>> On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:01:53 +1000, "The Scrutineer" >>> <vlade4(a)bigpond.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>"Lawrence13" <lawrence13(a)sky.com> wrote in message >>>>news:0be492b3-4200-4060-8278-1b8b49938dcd(a)w30g2000yqw.googlegroups.com... >>>>> On Aug 9, 12:31 am, Google Beta User <wanyik...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> probably 13-18m pound range. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/08/manchester-united-mesu... >>>>> >>>>> Come on, why would according to Red Devil, Fergie spend all that money >>>>> and a poor mans Darren Fletcher. >>>> >>>>The academy isn't producing what it once did!!! >>> >>> Our recent trophy hauls would suggest otherwise >> >>I have no dog in this fight, so don't take this the wrong way: your >>statement does *not* disprove his. The trophies are not necessarily >>correlated with academy success. In fact, a case could be made that >>short term success can be gained by investing in buying players. >> >>Mart > > It's a fact that most United starting lineups contain at least 50% of > players that have graduated through the youth system. Compare that > with any other successful English teams Oh sure. And I'm quite willing to believe that their youth scheme is part of their success. However, logically your statement is not a refutation of the original. It is quite possible that the recent trophy hauls are due to smart buying of players. Without an exhaustive analysis of each player's part in the successes, you can't make definitive statements. Mart -- "We will need a longer wall when the revolution comes." --- AJS, quoting an uncertain source.
From: RED DEVIL on 10 Aug 2010 18:10 On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:58:59 +0200, Mart van de Wege <mvdwege(a)mail.com> wrote: >RED DEVIL <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> writes: > >> On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:30:49 +0200, Mart van de Wege >> <mvdwege(a)mail.com> wrote: >> >>>RED DEVIL <manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> writes: >>> >>>> On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:01:53 +1000, "The Scrutineer" >>>> <vlade4(a)bigpond.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>"Lawrence13" <lawrence13(a)sky.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:0be492b3-4200-4060-8278-1b8b49938dcd(a)w30g2000yqw.googlegroups.com... >>>>>> On Aug 9, 12:31 am, Google Beta User <wanyik...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> probably 13-18m pound range. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/08/manchester-united-mesu... >>>>>> >>>>>> Come on, why would according to Red Devil, Fergie spend all that money >>>>>> and a poor mans Darren Fletcher. >>>>> >>>>>The academy isn't producing what it once did!!! >>>> >>>> Our recent trophy hauls would suggest otherwise >>> >>>I have no dog in this fight, so don't take this the wrong way: your >>>statement does *not* disprove his. The trophies are not necessarily >>>correlated with academy success. In fact, a case could be made that >>>short term success can be gained by investing in buying players. >>> >>>Mart >> >> It's a fact that most United starting lineups contain at least 50% of >> players that have graduated through the youth system. Compare that >> with any other successful English teams > >Oh sure. And I'm quite willing to believe that their youth scheme is >part of their success. > >However, logically your statement is not a refutation of the >original. It is quite possible that the recent trophy hauls are due to >smart buying of players. Without an exhaustive analysis of each player's >part in the successes, you can't make definitive statements. > >Mart Manchester United have always had an excellent youth system, it's the very root of what the club was founded upon. The club's most successful period coincides with one of it's best periods of bringing youth through the ranks. It really started with the teams they brought up through the 50s. The greatest players to have worn the shirt nearly always have been players that the club developed itself, I'm talking about names like Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, George Best, Duncan Edwards, Bobby Charlton, David Beckham RED DEVIL
From: Legend-11 on 10 Aug 2010 19:52 On 10/08/2010 07:30, Mart van de Wege wrote: > RED DEVIL<manutd11XX(a)bellsouth.net> writes: > >> On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:01:53 +1000, "The Scrutineer" >> <vlade4(a)bigpond.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> "Lawrence13"<lawrence13(a)sky.com> wrote in message >>> news:0be492b3-4200-4060-8278-1b8b49938dcd(a)w30g2000yqw.googlegroups.com... >>>> On Aug 9, 12:31 am, Google Beta User<wanyik...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> probably 13-18m pound range. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/08/manchester-united-mesu... >>>> >>>> Come on, why would according to Red Devil, Fergie spend all that money >>>> and a poor mans Darren Fletcher. >>> >>> The academy isn't producing what it once did!!! >> >> Our recent trophy hauls would suggest otherwise > > I have no dog in this fight, so don't take this the wrong way: your > statement does *not* disprove his. The trophies are not necessarily > correlated with academy success. In fact, a case could be made that > short term success can be gained by investing in buying players. > > Mart > Very true, but we've never been a club to have wholesale clear-outs whilst replacing the larger part of the squad with ready made talent...like, say, a newly rich club, or a club that comes up to a new league, or one who gets a new manager with a significant war-chest. We have always used academy lads, whilst liberally adding to them with biggish spends. I think our academy, like all others, goes through ups and downs...and many fans, nuetrals and pundits think we're currently on an up in that respect. I agree. -- Legend-11 Forget about Ronaldo. Your Carlos Tevez too. 'Cos we've got a player who's United through and through. He just might tw*t your groundsman, and bomb down your wing, He's French, he's fast, he's f*cking CLASS, so hear United sing: Tra la laa, it's Patrice Evra, tra la laa laa laa laa laa...
From: Legend-11 on 10 Aug 2010 20:06 On 09/08/2010 22:23, Red Stripe wrote: > On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 16:31:02 -0700 (PDT), Google Beta User > <wanyikuli(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> probably 13-18m pound range. >> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/08/manchester-united-mesut-ozil-alex-ferguson > > He looks like he could be a fish out of deep water with us. > Ozil would fit like kid gloves at Old Trafford. If we don't bid, I think lies over our finances will have been exposed. You simply cannot say there is "no value in the market" while this player is going for that little, due to the fact he could walk out for nothing in 12 months. IF he was rooted in a long-term contract, he would be a �30m player after his world cup performance. No value in the market? Pft! -- Legend-11 Forget about Ronaldo. Your Carlos Tevez too. 'Cos we've got a player who's United through and through. He just might tw*t your groundsman, and bomb down your wing, He's French, he's fast, he's f*cking CLASS, so hear United sing: Tra la laa, it's Patrice Evra, tra la laa laa laa laa laa...
From: Swerve on 10 Aug 2010 20:54
On 11 Aug, 01:06, Legend-11 <Legend...(a)spamless.com> wrote: > On 09/08/2010 22:23, Red Stripe wrote: > > > On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 16:31:02 -0700 (PDT), Google Beta User > > <wanyik...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> probably 13-18m pound range. > > >>http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/08/manchester-united-mesu.... > > > He looks like he could be a fish out of deep water with us. > > Ozil would fit like kid gloves at Old Trafford. If we don't bid, I think > lies over our finances will have been exposed. You simply cannot say > there is "no value in the market" while this player is going for that > little, due to the fact he could walk out for nothing in 12 months. IF > he was rooted in a long-term contract, he would be a £30m player after > his world cup performance. No value in the market? Pft! > There's the rub If he is that great, why aren't Europes finest tripping over themselves to sign him? Why? Thruth is, he is the upper reaches of ordinary. Cut through the Red Top and Talk Spurt crapola and we what have in Ozil a decent, good quality squad player. Despite what you might have read, he really isn't that special. To make room for him in the United squad that is really only in want of a defesive midfield player we would have to demote someone. As RD said, poor man's Fletcher - there is truth in that. Would you trade a starting slot with Fletcher for Ozil? I certainly wouldn't. Trust in SAF. He knows more than we can summon between us. |