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"The Scrutineer" <vlade4(a)bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> "Diabolik" <diabolik(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
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>> <ken.overton(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Jun 21, 4:47 am, "Diabolik" <diabo...(a)nospam.com> wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>
>>> I seem to recall you saying to me "Yes, let's talk about football!"
>>> instead of all this fan-whining talk.
>>
>>> Is someone holding your child hostage, forcing you to spend so much
>>> time talking about the fans instead of the football?
>>
>> There's too much Italy bashing going on, it's impossible to talk about
>> football.
>>
>> I found it appalling.
>
> I dont bash Italy, I love Italy, been there, have Italian relatives, and
> will go there again in the future, it just hurts when someone calls
> Australia as a whinging nation that I get annoyed at.

Your own people are saying to stop whining, including Frank Lowy, the
chairman of the Australian Football Federation.

http://www.smh.com.au/world-cup-2010/world-cup-news/lowy-warning-on-whingeing-20100621-ysd3.html



> We play sport hard but fair, and the lowest an opponent can get to is
> *taking a dive*, which is a non issue in every sport in Australia except
> when we play football against someone who uses it to our disadvantage, its
> taken a very long time for Football to get to where it is today, and it
> also hurts, when you hear the uneducated soccer viewer in Australia say,
> *oh its just a game where people just get knocked over by thin air*,

The point is, even without the dive, it's a foul, so nothing changes.

The shirt pulling from the NZ player was a foul, period.

> and that newspaper you mention in another thread does its best to throw
> the sport into the ground.

That paper is the major paper in Australia, it's appalling.



> Show some respect, or people like me will return fire with the jibe like I
> did.

Australians should show some respect too, or people like me will return
fire.




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"The Scrutineer" <vlade4(a)bigpond.com> wrote in message
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>>>> 1) Was it not a deserved red card for Kewell? Why are players like
>>>> Kewell whining?
>>>
>>> That depends on who the referee is, and how he deemed it to be
>>> intentional or not. A different referee might have waved it away.
>>
>> Either it's intentional or it isn't.
>
> So what part of what I said isn't correct?
>
>>>> 2) The first gol was offside, the second might have been a soft
>>>> penalty, so that makes it even. So where was NZ robbed?
>>>
>>> The first point, the linesman made a blatant error, but the goal was
>>> given, tough luck, the second was a very poor refereeing decision, no
>>> where that I know of does the referee have to even anything up.
>>>
>>> The second point, I dont know, you tell me!!!
>>
>> You admit it was even and NZ wasn't robbed?
>
> I dont think ive said otherwise...
>
>> So why are Australians whining about it?
>> http://www.smh.com.au/world-cup-2010/world-cup-news/italian-theatrics-cost-new-zealand-famous-win-over-defending-champions-italy-20100621-ypj8.html
>
> Because had the referee not blown for a penalty, It indeed would have been
> a famous win... potentially!!!

But the penalty was blown because of the foul, not the dive.

That's the point.




From: The Scrutineer on
>> I dont bash Italy, I love Italy, been there, have Italian relatives, and
>> will go there again in the future, it just hurts when someone calls
>> Australia as a whinging nation that I get annoyed at.
>
> Your own people are saying to stop whining, including Frank Lowy, the
> chairman of the Australian Football Federation.

For the sole reason we have a bid in for staging 2022

>> We play sport hard but fair, and the lowest an opponent can get to is
>> *taking a dive*, which is a non issue in every sport in Australia except
>> when we play football against someone who uses it to our disadvantage,
>> its
>> taken a very long time for Football to get to where it is today, and it
>> also hurts, when you hear the uneducated soccer viewer in Australia say,
>> *oh its just a game where people just get knocked over by thin air*,
>
> The point is, even without the dive, it's a foul, so nothing changes.
>
> The shirt pulling from the NZ player was a foul, period.

In your opinion.

>> and that newspaper you mention in another thread does its best to throw
>> the sport into the ground.
>
> That paper is the major paper in Australia, it's appalling.

The only appalling issue is it bashes football.

>> Show some respect, or people like me will return fire with the jibe like
>> I
>> did.
>
> Australians should show some respect too, or people like me will return
> fire.

Show some, get some, but I have no problem if you fire back, after all,
everyone's opinion is respected by me, and for the purpose being balanced
i'm absolutely fine about it!!!

From: JohnK on
"JK" wrote:
> I didn't write that. It was some other JK.

I apologize because I did not pay attention that a regular poster of this NG
was using my same nickname and most of the time I'm simply a lurker.
So I have changed it to avoid misunderstandings.
Again, sorry for that.


From: Diabolik on

"The Scrutineer" <vlade4(a)bigpond.com> wrote in message
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>>> I dont bash Italy, I love Italy, been there, have Italian relatives, and
>>> will go there again in the future, it just hurts when someone calls
>>> Australia as a whinging nation that I get annoyed at.
>>
>> Your own people are saying to stop whining, including Frank Lowy, the
>> chairman of the Australian Football Federation.
>
> For the sole reason we have a bid in for staging 2022

Yeah right, thats' the sole reason.

Not because Australians are a bunch of whiners?

>
>>> We play sport hard but fair, and the lowest an opponent can get to is
>>> *taking a dive*, which is a non issue in every sport in Australia except
>>> when we play football against someone who uses it to our disadvantage,
>>> its
>>> taken a very long time for Football to get to where it is today, and it
>>> also hurts, when you hear the uneducated soccer viewer in Australia say,
>>> *oh its just a game where people just get knocked over by thin air*,
>>
>> The point is, even without the dive, it's a foul, so nothing changes.
>>
>> The shirt pulling from the NZ player was a foul, period.
>
> In your opinion.

So shirt pulling isn't a foul now?

>
>>> and that newspaper you mention in another thread does its best to throw
>>> the sport into the ground.
>>
>> That paper is the major paper in Australia, it's appalling.
>
> The only appalling issue is it bashes football.

It would be ok if it was just that.

It also bashes other cultures, except the Australian culture of course.


>
>>> Show some respect, or people like me will return fire with the jibe like
>>> I
>>> did.
>>
>> Australians should show some respect too, or people like me will return
>> fire.
>
> Show some, get some, but I have no problem if you fire back, after all,
> everyone's opinion is respected by me, and for the purpose being balanced
> i'm absolutely fine about it!!!


Great!