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From: Pope Pompous XVIII on 10 May 2010 05:14
On Mon, 10 May 2010 09:46:02 +0100, Mozzer wrote:

> On 10/05/2010 9:34 AM, Pope Pompous XVIII wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 May 2010 08:09:00 +0000, Jussi Uosukainen wrote:
>>
>>> Google Beta User<wanyikuli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> .....to shore up key positions.
>>>>
>>>> So we sign a center-back?
>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1275870/Liverpool-
>> poised-wrap-2-5m-deal-Rangers-18-year-old-defender-Danny-Wilson.html
>>>>
>>>> Skrtel, Agger, Kyriagos and Carragher. Four first team centerbacks,
>>>> plus Kelly and Ayala over in the reserves.......?
>>>
>>> He is 18, he is hardly bought to strengthen the team in the next
>>> season or two. Carra might well continue to play to a good level for
>>> the next couple of seasons, or he might crash and burn like Henchoz. I
>>> think it is great that the team is finally trying to buy some
>>> promising youth.
>>
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> When you've spent millions on players like Torres, Mascharano, Johnson,
>> Aquilani, Keane, Babel, Kuyt and Rieira only to finish seventh then
>> cheap, *promising youth* is all you have left.
>>
>> Seems the strategy advanced seven years ago - to sack Houllier and
>> bring in a high-profile manager who would attract the very best to
>> Anfield has failed.
>>
>> Spectacularly.
>>
>> So now you're having to come up with another strategy.
>>
>> Do we have to accept this one as well, the same way we were forced to
>> accept your failed policy of seven years ago, which has now resulted in
>> six years of unending tedium and irreversible bankruptcy?
>>
>>
> You're posts are getting more bizzare by the day Pope, but they do make
> me laugh.


In what way is this post bizarre?

Houllier was sacked because fans, players and board said he'd taken us as
far as he could, and they demanded that we get a better manager instead,
one who would be able to sign top-quality, expensive talent.

Is that true or false?

Was Benitez considered a better manager?

Yes he was.

Did he bring in expensive talent from all over the world?

Yes he did.

Has this policy worked?

Not if you look at where we finished in 2009-2010 it hasn't. No matter how
you try to spin it SEVENTH is considerably worse than FOURTH. And because
Rafa has blown all the money seventh is likely to be even worse next
season. OK that's just guesswork but it's hardly a bizarre proposition.

And has Rafa now - belatedly - decided, after six years of getting it
wrong, with the wholehearted backing of the fans, that perhaps it might be
a better strategy to improve the academy and sign promising youth instead?

Yes he has. Six years too late.

Let's just remind ourselves why Rafa was brought in in the first place,
shall we? He was brought in to *IMPROVE* on Houllier. Those were Rick
Parry's words. Fourth is not acceptable, he said; we need to bring in a
manager who can take us further, a manager who is likely to cross that
final hurdle to the title. Has Rafa done this? No he hasn't. His best
effort was last season when we finished second, something Houllier did in
his third full season.

Bizarre?

I don't think so Mozzer.

My guess is you just don't want to face up to the awful reality of what
has just happened to Liverpool under Rafa, and so you play this little
game with Popey instead, hoping that the questions he raises will just go
away.

Perhaps next season when we're struggling to stay in the top half it will
dawn on you?

I somehow doubt it. You'll still tell us it was right to sack a manager
for finishing fourth in his sixth season for a manager who finished
seventh in his sixth season. Oh well - I did try to warn you.

--
+ His Holiness Pope Pompous XVIII

“The liberation of the South American republics was planned by Freemasons
in
Spanish lodges meeting in London” - William R. Denslow & Harry S. Truman,
"10,000 Famous Freemasons from A to J", Vol. I, p. 305.

"This would never have happened in my country" - Mr Wilson Masilingi MP,
African observer in Britain to monitor 2010 General Election, expressing
his
shock as he watched thousands of voters turned away from polling stations
and
denied their right to vote.
From: Mozzer on 10 May 2010 05:21
On 10/05/2010 10:14 AM, Pope Pompous XVIII wrote:
> On Mon, 10 May 2010 09:46:02 +0100, Mozzer wrote:
>
>> On 10/05/2010 9:34 AM, Pope Pompous XVIII wrote:
>>> On Mon, 10 May 2010 08:09:00 +0000, Jussi Uosukainen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Google Beta User<wanyikuli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> .....to shore up key positions.
>>>>>
>>>>> So we sign a center-back?
>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1275870/Liverpool-
>>> poised-wrap-2-5m-deal-Rangers-18-year-old-defender-Danny-Wilson.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Skrtel, Agger, Kyriagos and Carragher. Four first team centerbacks,
>>>>> plus Kelly and Ayala over in the reserves.......?
>>>>
>>>> He is 18, he is hardly bought to strengthen the team in the next
>>>> season or two. Carra might well continue to play to a good level for
>>>> the next couple of seasons, or he might crash and burn like Henchoz. I
>>>> think it is great that the team is finally trying to buy some
>>>> promising youth.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> When you've spent millions on players like Torres, Mascharano, Johnson,
>>> Aquilani, Keane, Babel, Kuyt and Rieira only to finish seventh then
>>> cheap, *promising youth* is all you have left.
>>>
>>> Seems the strategy advanced seven years ago - to sack Houllier and
>>> bring in a high-profile manager who would attract the very best to
>>> Anfield has failed.
>>>
>>> Spectacularly.
>>>
>>> So now you're having to come up with another strategy.
>>>
>>> Do we have to accept this one as well, the same way we were forced to
>>> accept your failed policy of seven years ago, which has now resulted in
>>> six years of unending tedium and irreversible bankruptcy?
>>>
>>>
>> You're posts are getting more bizzare by the day Pope, but they do make
>> me laugh.
>
>
> In what way is this post bizarre?
>
> Houllier was sacked because fans, players and board said he'd taken us as
> far as he could, and they demanded that we get a better manager instead,
> one who would be able to sign top-quality, expensive talent.
>
> Is that true or false?
>
> Was Benitez considered a better manager?
>
> Yes he was.
>
> Did he bring in expensive talent from all over the world?
>
> Yes he did.
>
> Has this policy worked?
>
> Not if you look at where we finished in 2009-2010 it hasn't. No matter how
> you try to spin it SEVENTH is considerably worse than FOURTH. And because
> Rafa has blown all the money seventh is likely to be even worse next
> season. OK that's just guesswork but it's hardly a bizarre proposition.
>
> And has Rafa now - belatedly - decided, after six years of getting it
> wrong, with the wholehearted backing of the fans, that perhaps it might be
> a better strategy to improve the academy and sign promising youth instead?
>
> Yes he has. Six years too late.
>
> Let's just remind ourselves why Rafa was brought in in the first place,
> shall we? He was brought in to *IMPROVE* on Houllier. Those were Rick
> Parry's words. Fourth is not acceptable, he said; we need to bring in a
> manager who can take us further, a manager who is likely to cross that
> final hurdle to the title. Has Rafa done this? No he hasn't. His best
> effort was last season when we finished second, something Houllier did in
> his third full season.
>
> Bizarre?
>
> I don't think so Mozzer.
>
> My guess is you just don't want to face up to the awful reality of what
> has just happened to Liverpool under Rafa, and so you play this little
> game with Popey instead, hoping that the questions he raises will just go
> away.
>

Refering to yourself in the 3rd person now? Like I said, "Your posts are
getting more bizzare by the day"
From: Pope Pompous XVIII on 10 May 2010 06:08
On Mon, 10 May 2010 10:21:14 +0100, Mozzer wrote:

> On 10/05/2010 10:14 AM, Pope Pompous XVIII wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 May 2010 09:46:02 +0100, Mozzer wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/05/2010 9:34 AM, Pope Pompous XVIII wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 10 May 2010 08:09:00 +0000, Jussi Uosukainen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Google Beta User<wanyikuli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> .....to shore up key positions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So we sign a center-back?
>>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1275870/Liverpool-
>>>> poised-wrap-2-5m-deal-Rangers-18-year-old-defender-Danny-Wilson.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skrtel, Agger, Kyriagos and Carragher. Four first team
>>>>>> centerbacks, plus Kelly and Ayala over in the reserves.......?
>>>>>
>>>>> He is 18, he is hardly bought to strengthen the team in the next
>>>>> season or two. Carra might well continue to play to a good level for
>>>>> the next couple of seasons, or he might crash and burn like Henchoz.
>>>>> I think it is great that the team is finally trying to buy some
>>>>> promising youth.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> When you've spent millions on players like Torres, Mascharano,
>>>> Johnson, Aquilani, Keane, Babel, Kuyt and Rieira only to finish
>>>> seventh then cheap, *promising youth* is all you have left.
>>>>
>>>> Seems the strategy advanced seven years ago - to sack Houllier and
>>>> bring in a high-profile manager who would attract the very best to
>>>> Anfield has failed.
>>>>
>>>> Spectacularly.
>>>>
>>>> So now you're having to come up with another strategy.
>>>>
>>>> Do we have to accept this one as well, the same way we were forced to
>>>> accept your failed policy of seven years ago, which has now resulted
>>>> in six years of unending tedium and irreversible bankruptcy?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You're posts are getting more bizzare by the day Pope, but they do
>>> make me laugh.
>>
>>
>> In what way is this post bizarre?
>>
>> Houllier was sacked because fans, players and board said he'd taken us
>> as far as he could, and they demanded that we get a better manager
>> instead, one who would be able to sign top-quality, expensive talent.
>>
>> Is that true or false?
>>
>> Was Benitez considered a better manager?
>>
>> Yes he was.
>>
>> Did he bring in expensive talent from all over the world?
>>
>> Yes he did.
>>
>> Has this policy worked?
>>
>> Not if you look at where we finished in 2009-2010 it hasn't. No matter
>> how you try to spin it SEVENTH is considerably worse than FOURTH. And
>> because Rafa has blown all the money seventh is likely to be even worse
>> next season. OK that's just guesswork but it's hardly a bizarre
>> proposition.
>>
>> And has Rafa now - belatedly - decided, after six years of getting it
>> wrong, with the wholehearted backing of the fans, that perhaps it might
>> be a better strategy to improve the academy and sign promising youth
>> instead?
>>
>> Yes he has. Six years too late.
>>
>> Let's just remind ourselves why Rafa was brought in in the first place,
>> shall we? He was brought in to *IMPROVE* on Houllier. Those were Rick
>> Parry's words. Fourth is not acceptable, he said; we need to bring in a
>> manager who can take us further, a manager who is likely to cross that
>> final hurdle to the title. Has Rafa done this? No he hasn't. His best
>> effort was last season when we finished second, something Houllier did
>> in his third full season.
>>
>> Bizarre?
>>
>> I don't think so Mozzer.
>>
>> My guess is you just don't want to face up to the awful reality of what
>> has just happened to Liverpool under Rafa, and so you play this little
>> game with Popey instead, hoping that the questions he raises will just
>> go away.
>>
>>
> Refering to yourself in the 3rd person now? Like I said, "Your posts are
> getting more bizzare by the day"


I'm happy to sit here forever listening to these diversionary ploys of
yours Mozzer. It means you no longer have any grounds for defending Rafa.

Houllier - sixth season - 100 million spent - 4th place finish & CL
qualification

Benitez - sixth season - 240 million spent - 7th place finish & no CL
qualification

I guarantee we will finish fourth he said.

hehehehe

So much for his empty promises eh! But at least you have the Yanks to
blame for Rafa's spectacular failure. Where would you be without those two
eh?

--
+ His Holiness Pope Pompous XVIII

“The liberation of the South American republics was planned by Freemasons
in
Spanish lodges meeting in London” - William R. Denslow & Harry S. Truman,
"10,000 Famous Freemasons from A to J", Vol. I, p. 305.

"This would never have happened in my country" - Mr Wilson Masilingi MP,
African observer in Britain to monitor 2010 General Election, expressing
his
shock as he watched thousands of voters turned away from polling stations
and
denied their right to vote.
From: Google Beta User on 10 May 2010 06:41
On May 10, 4:09 am, Jussi Uosukainen <j...(a)iki.fi> wrote:
> Google Beta User <wanyik...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > .....to shore up key positions.
>
> > So we sign a center-back?
> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1275870/Liverpool-p...
>
> > Skrtel, Agger, Kyriagos and Carragher.  Four first team centerbacks,
> > plus Kelly and Ayala over in the reserves.......?
>
> He is 18, he is hardly bought to strengthen the team in the next season
> or two.

I'm trying not to look like I'm unfairly bashing Benitez, but I
beleive he's a first team signing. If he isn't, it's even more
unnecessary.

First of all, defenders are hardly our most presssing need and
secondly, if we really are out of money, we need to use every penny we
have wisely. If we can make a 20m bid instead of a 17m bid on an
attacking midfielder.......?

Thing is Rafa will say we need money and we need signings. Ok, that's
3 already--Wilson, Shelvey and Jovanovic. I hope that's enough of the
bargain signings. Hopefully Jovanovic is not another Voronin and
hopefully he's actually played as a STRIKER. But now that 3 players
have been signed on the cheap shouldn't we look for one or two proper
signings? We don't need 100 players--but we do need to trim the
squad, at some point the revolving door has to stop. El Zahr, Degen,
et. al. get rid of--and they *shouldn't* be replaced, just promote
the likes of Kelly and Pacheco instead.

>Carra might well continue to play to a good level for the next
> couple of seasons, or he might crash and burn like Henchoz. I think it
> is great that the team is finally trying to buy some promising youth.

Dude, Ayala and Kelly?
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