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From: Ron on 4 Aug 2010 03:19


"Lawrence13" wrote in message
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On Aug 2, 1:31 pm, "Ron" <ihates...(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Lawrence asked the question
>
> > Do you think that it is right that someone reaching old age and
> > needing care after working forty odd years, paying full NI
> > contributions and taxes should then have to sell their home for their
> > care when another person in that same home has pissed their life away
> > never bothered working and yet get that 900 pound a week care place
> > for nothing?
>
> If they only have a single,average kind of home to leave then i don't
> think they should have to sell their home.
>
>
>
> No they should not
> everyone is entitled to a decent old age
> but instead of blaming illegal immigrants,scroungers
> and all the other daily mail red herrings
> lets go after the 140 billion a year of unpaid taxes
> by the rich and the cherished non-domiciled tax status
> we employed an army to catch benefit fraudsters
> for a few billion, lets do the same for some real money.

Sensible answer Ron. By the way the people I quoted paying for their
care: one a retired teacher in Whistable died several years ago now
and he was paying , or should I say his family with Power of Attorney
were paying �580 per week. The second example that I found out about
last week was another colleague at work who's working class mum has to
find �900 per week.

The thing I find very unfair is that people who have never had any
intention of working legally at least will pay nothing.

The other reason I've mentioned the income available for people with
the lable Learning Disabilities attached to them is not because I'm
callous but I know from much experience how much state money is being
needed to provide someone their own home and independence. The money
generated in supported living sees people via the state live a far far
beytter lifestyle than the careers supporting them.

Those are my gripes on these issues, its unfair with both groups of
people that those who work , contribute and do no harm to others get
treated so appallingly by the PC brigade and lets face it most public
Policy under labour has been precisely that with its Supported Living
bill and its direct payments bill.

Did you know under the direct payment bill policy an individual with a
profound or modicum of a learning disability are meant to recieve not
just their benefits but also the care budget as well. The theory is
the "service Users" will hire and fire their own staff it will be
their choice who works with them. This takes labour laws back to the
dark ages Ron. Don't forget the care budget could be anywhere between
�10,000 to 100,000 per yer purely in staff costs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Payments





Strange but true Lawrence, i have been in a lot of care homes
installing one thing or another and my overriding memory of them
is the stench of rotting flesh i kid you not.
another thing they charge between 600 to 900 P/W
and pay the staff minimum wage.

From: Pakistan Meteorological Department on 4 Aug 2010 10:30
Ron wrote:

>
>
> "Lawrence13" wrote in message
> news:a482da5c-4d55-4e0d-b32b-4a9ceb12ac60(a)i4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> On Aug 2, 1:31 pm, "Ron" <ihates...(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Lawrence asked the question
>>
>> > Do you think that it is right that someone reaching old age and
>> > needing care after working forty odd years, paying full NI
>> > contributions and taxes should then have to sell their home for their
>> > care when another person in that same home has pissed their life away
>> > never bothered working and yet get that 900 pound a week care place
>> > for nothing?
>>
>> If they only have a single,average kind of home to leave then i don't
>> think they should have to sell their home.
>>
>>
>>
>> No they should not
>> everyone is entitled to a decent old age
>> but instead of blaming illegal immigrants,scroungers
>> and all the other daily mail red herrings
>> lets go after the 140 billion a year of unpaid taxes
>> by the rich and the cherished non-domiciled tax status
>> we employed an army to catch benefit fraudsters
>> for a few billion, lets do the same for some real money.
>
>
> Sensible answer Ron. By the way the people I quoted paying for their
> care: one a retired teacher in Whistable died several years ago now
> and he was paying , or should I say his family with Power of Attorney
> were paying �580 per week. The second example that I found out about
> last week was another colleague at work who's working class mum has to
> find �900 per week.
>
> The thing I find very unfair is that people who have never had any
> intention of working legally at least will pay nothing.
>
> The other reason I've mentioned the income available for people with
> the lable Learning Disabilities attached to them is not because I'm
> callous but I know from much experience how much state money is being
> needed to provide someone their own home and independence. The money
> generated in supported living sees people via the state live a far far
> beytter lifestyle than the careers supporting them.
>
> Those are my gripes on these issues, its unfair with both groups of
> people that those who work , contribute and do no harm to others get
> treated so appallingly by the PC brigade and lets face it most public
> Policy under labour has been precisely that with its Supported Living
> bill and its direct payments bill.
>
> Did you know under the direct payment bill policy an individual with a
> profound or modicum of a learning disability are meant to recieve not
> just their benefits but also the care budget as well. The theory is
> the "service Users" will hire and fire their own staff it will be
> their choice who works with them. This takes labour laws back to the
> dark ages Ron. Don't forget the care budget could be anywhere between
> �10,000 to 100,000 per yer purely in staff costs
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Payments
>
>
>
>
>
> Strange but true Lawrence, i have been in a lot of care homes
> installing one thing or another and my overriding memory of them
> is the stench of rotting flesh i kid you not.
> another thing they charge between 600 to 900 P/W
> and pay the staff minimum wage.
>


Yes and the owners drive Bentleys.


--
"Entire units of the Metropolitan Police and the Flying Squad and the
drug squad were Freemasons. They all, in the end, were sent to prison.
When you are bonded by an oath of mutual defence and loyalty, you may
well find that it is extremely difficult to squeal on your corrupt brethren"

Martin Short on BBC Newsnight 19/03/01
From: Lawrence13 on 4 Aug 2010 18:55
On Aug 4, 8:19 am, "Ron" <ihates...(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> "Lawrence13"  wrote in message
>
> news:a482da5c-4d55-4e0d-b32b-4a9ceb12ac60(a)i4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> On Aug 2, 1:31 pm, "Ron" <ihates...(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Lawrence asked the question
>
> > > Do you think that it is right that someone reaching old age and
> > > needing care after working forty odd years, paying full NI
> > > contributions and taxes should then have to sell their home for their
> > > care when another person in that same home has pissed their life away
> > > never bothered working and yet get that 900 pound a week care place
> > > for nothing?
>
> > If they only have a single,average kind of home to leave then i don't
> > think they should have to sell their home.
>
> > No they should not
> > everyone is entitled to a decent old age
> > but instead of blaming  illegal immigrants,scroungers
> > and all the other daily mail red herrings
> > lets go after the 140 billion a year of unpaid taxes
> > by the rich and the cherished non-domiciled tax status
> > we employed an army to catch benefit fraudsters
> > for a few billion, lets do the same for some real money.
>
> Sensible answer Ron. By the way the people I quoted paying for their
> care: one a retired teacher in Whistable died several years ago now
> and he was paying , or should I say his family with Power of Attorney
> were paying £580 per week. The second example that I found out about
> last week was another colleague at work who's working class mum has to
> find £900 per week.
>
> The thing I find very unfair is that people who have never had any
> intention of working legally at least will pay nothing.
>
> The other reason I've mentioned the income available for people with
> the lable Learning Disabilities attached to them is not because I'm
> callous but I know from much experience how much state money is being
> needed to provide someone their own home and independence. The money
> generated in supported living sees people via the state live a far far
> beytter lifestyle than the careers supporting them.
>
> Those are my gripes on these issues, its unfair with both groups of
> people that those who work , contribute and do no harm to others get
> treated so appallingly by the PC brigade and lets face it most public
> Policy under labour has been precisely that with its Supported Living
> bill and its direct payments bill.
>
> Did you know under the direct payment bill policy an individual with a
> profound or modicum of a learning disability are meant to recieve not
> just their benefits but also the care budget as well. The theory is
> the "service Users" will hire and fire their own staff it will be
> their choice who works with them. This takes labour laws back to the
> dark ages Ron. Don't forget the care budget could be anywhere between
> £10,000 to 100,000 per yer purely in staff costs
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Payments
>
> Strange but true Lawrence, i have been in a lot of care homes
> installing one thing or another and my overriding memory of them
> is the stench of rotting flesh i kid you not.
> another thing they charge between 600 to 900 P/W
> and pay the staff minimum wage.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ron they are private elderly care homes you were in and of course when
people get so old they are physically and mentally icapable of course
it's going to smell of rooten flesk thay are old and dying
From: Justin Thyme on 5 Aug 2010 13:49
On 05/08/2010 18:03, Lawrence13 wrote:

>
> Well if our society, especially the left feel that way about the
> elderly and put the needs of the criminal class, drug addicts,
> learning disabilities, lazy fuckers who have no intention ever of
> working and every immigrant that comes into this country above theirs;
> then I suggest they stop taxing people that work now, before they grow
> old and are shat upon by the social marxists, police , NHS and the
> judicary



Your pathological hatred of people with learning disabilities,to the
extent you would bracket them with criminals and drug addicts,is truly
disturbing.
You are obviously devoid of the minutest smidgen of morality.

From: Pakistan Meteorological Department on 5 Aug 2010 13:52
Justin Thyme wrote:

> On 05/08/2010 18:03, Lawrence13 wrote:
>
>>
>> Well if our society, especially the left feel that way about the
>> elderly and put the needs of the criminal class, drug addicts,
>> learning disabilities, lazy fuckers who have no intention ever of
>> working and every immigrant that comes into this country above theirs;
>> then I suggest they stop taxing people that work now, before they grow
>> old and are shat upon by the social marxists, police , NHS and the
>> judicary
>
>
>
>
> Your pathological hatred of people with learning disabilities,to the
> extent you would bracket them with criminals and drug addicts,is truly
> disturbing.
> You are obviously devoid of the minutest smidgen of morality.
>


He's mentally ill and deserves our pity.


--
"Entire units of the Metropolitan Police and the Flying Squad and the
drug squad were Freemasons. They all, in the end, were sent to prison.
When you are bonded by an oath of mutual defence and loyalty, you may
well find that it is extremely difficult to squeal on your corrupt brethren"

Martin Short on BBC Newsnight 19/03/01
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