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From: Ron on 2 Aug 2010 08:31
Lawrence asked the question

> Do you think that it is right that someone reaching old age and
> needing care after working forty odd years, paying full NI
> contributions and taxes should then have to sell their home for their
> care when another person in that same home has pissed their life away
> never bothered working and yet get that 900 pound a week care place
> for nothing?

If they only have a single,average kind of home to leave then i don't
think they should have to sell their home.
>
>

No they should not
everyone is entitled to a decent old age
but instead of blaming illegal immigrants,scroungers
and all the other daily mail red herrings
lets go after the 140 billion a year of unpaid taxes
by the rich and the cherished non-domiciled tax status
we employed an army to catch benefit fraudsters
for a few billion, lets do the same for some real money.




From: Lawrence13 on 2 Aug 2010 13:35
On Aug 2, 1:31 pm, "Ron" <ihates...(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Lawrence asked the question
>
> > Do you think that it is right that someone reaching old age and
> > needing care after working forty odd years, paying full NI
> > contributions and taxes should then have to sell their home for their
> > care when another person in that same home has pissed their life away
> > never bothered working and yet get that 900 pound a week care place
> > for nothing?
>
> If they only have a single,average kind of home to leave then i don't
> think they should have to sell their home.
>
>
>
> No they should not
> everyone is entitled to a decent old age
> but instead of blaming  illegal immigrants,scroungers
> and all the other daily mail red herrings
> lets go after the 140 billion a year of unpaid taxes
> by the rich and the cherished non-domiciled tax status
> we employed an army to catch benefit fraudsters
> for a few billion, lets do the same for some real money.

Sensible answer Ron. By the way the people I quoted paying for their
care: one a retired teacher in Whistable died several years ago now
and he was paying , or should I say his family with Power of Attorney
were paying £580 per week. The second example that I found out about
last week was another colleague at work who's working class mum has to
find £900 per week.

The thing I find very unfair is that people who have never had any
intention of working legally at least will pay nothing.

The other reason I've mentioned the income available for people with
the lable Learning Disabilities attached to them is not because I'm
callous but I know from much experience how much state money is being
needed to provide someone their own home and independence. The money
generated in supported living sees people via the state live a far far
beytter lifestyle than the careers supporting them.

Those are my gripes on these issues, its unfair with both groups of
people that those who work , contribute and do no harm to others get
treated so appallingly by the PC brigade and lets face it most public
Policy under labour has been precisely that with its Supported Living
bill and its direct payments bill.

Did you know under the direct payment bill policy an individual with a
profound or modicum of a learning disability are meant to recieve not
just their benefits but also the care budget as well. The theory is
the "service Users" will hire and fire their own staff it will be
their choice who works with them. This takes labour laws back to the
dark ages Ron. Don't forget the care budget could be anywhere between
£10,000 to 100,000 per yer purely in staff costs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Payments
From: Mark Williams on 3 Aug 2010 14:11

"bofh" <lancj2(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:030d56d0-1962-4301-a17e-
>
> Its a tricky argument for socialists to win. Socialists hate inherited
> wealth, apart from when its gained from selling off dads ex council
> house.

Unless your name is Miliband, Mandelson, Rowntree, Sainsbury or
Toynbee. Then its OK.


From: Pakistan Meteorological Department on 3 Aug 2010 14:16
bofh wrote:
> On 2 Aug, 13:31, "Ron" <ihates...(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Lawrence asked the question
>>
>>
>>>Do you think that it is right that someone reaching old age and
>>>needing care after working forty odd years, paying full NI
>>>contributions and taxes should then have to sell their home for their
>>>care when another person in that same home has pissed their life away
>>>never bothered working and yet get that 900 pound a week care place
>>>for nothing?
>
>
> Yes - it mirrors life.
>
> Nursing Care is free - you sell your home to pay your rent, not to buy
> nursing care.
>


�900 p/w rent? Are you crazy, boffer?


--
"Entire units of the Metropolitan Police and the Flying Squad and the
drug squad were Freemasons. They all, in the end, were sent to prison.
When you are bonded by an oath of mutual defence and loyalty, you may
well find that it is extremely difficult to squeal on your corrupt brethren"

Martin Short on BBC Newsnight 19/03/01
From: bofh on 4 Aug 2010 02:32
On 3 Aug, 19:16, Pakistan Meteorological Department <P...(a)SIBU.HQ>
wrote:
> bofh wrote:
> > On 2 Aug, 13:31, "Ron" <ihates...(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>Lawrence asked the question
>
> >>>Do you think that it is right that someone reaching old age and
> >>>needing care after working forty odd years, paying full NI
> >>>contributions and taxes should then have to sell their home for their
> >>>care when another person in that same home has pissed their life away
> >>>never bothered working and yet get that 900 pound a week care place
> >>>for nothing?
>
> > Yes - it mirrors life.
>
> > Nursing Care is free - you sell your home to pay your rent, not to buy
> > nursing care.
>
> £900 p/w rent? Are you crazy, boffer?

I dont agree with it at all. But I hear enough people bleating about
Labours legacy and Tory cuts. Labours legacy is uncontrolled
immigration, uncapped benefits and masked unemployment.
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