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From: Jesus Petry on 10 May 2010 13:15
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I'll combine the round results with the semi-Bordon.

Sat, May 8:

Atlético-GO 0-0 Grêmio
Victor saved Grêmio's mixed team from defeat at Serra Dourada.

ATLÉTICO Clube GOIANIENSE
City: Goiânia-GO
Best league position: 23rd in 1980
Team: Márcio; Ayrton, Welton Felipe, Jairo, Tiago Feltri;
Agenor, Pituca, Ramalho, Robston; Juninho, Rodrigo Tiuí
Other players: Edson (GK), Márcio Gabriel (DF), Wescley (DF),
Chiquinho (DF), Anaílson (MF), Marcão (FW)
Coach: Geninho
Last year's position: Promoted from Série B
Objective: avoid relegation

GRÊMIO Foot-Ball Porto-Alegrense
City: Porto Alegre-RS
Best league position: Champions in 1981, 1996
Team: Victor; Edílson, Mário Fernandes, Rodrigo, Neuton;
Adílson, Fábio Rochemback, Douglas, Hugo; Jonas, Borges
Other players: Ozeia (DF), Rafael Marques (DF), Fábio Santos
(DF), Maylson (MF), Souza (MF), Leandro (FW), William (FW)
Coach: Silas
Last year's position: 8th
Objective: Title

Botafogo 3-3 Santos
[Antônio Carlos 7', 45+1', Herrera 88' - Neymar 29', André
33', Zé Eduardo 79']
Botafogo struggled to get a point against a half-reserve
Santos.

BOTAFOGO de Futebol e Regatas
City: Rio de Janeiro-RJ
Best league position: Champions in 1995
Team: Jefferson; Fahel, Antônio Carlos, Fábio Ferreira;
Alessandro, Leandro Guerreiro, Túlio Souza, Lúcio Flávio,
Somália; Herrera, Sebastián Abreu
Other players: Renan (GK), Danny Morais (DF), Marcelo Cordeiro
(DF/MF), Renato (MF), Edno (MF/FW), Caio (FW)
Coach: Joel Santana
Last year's position: 15th
Objective: Sudamericana

SANTOS Futebol Clube
City: Santos-SP
Best league position: Champions in 2002, 2004
Team: Felipe; Pará, Edu Dracena, Durval, Léo; Arouca, Wesley,
Paulo Henrique Lima; André, Neymar, Robinho
Other players: Fábio Costa (GK), George Lucas (DF), Alex Sandro
(DF), Germano (MF), Rodrigo Mancha (MF), Madson (MF),
Marquinhos (MF), Maikon Leite (FW), Marcel (FW)
Coach: Dorival Júnior
Last year's position: 12th
Objective: Title

Palmeiras 1-0 Vitória
[Lincoln 79']
After Robert had missed a PK (saved by Viáfara), Lincoln saved
the hosts with a cool finish.

Sociedade Esportiva PALMEIRAS
City: São Paulo-SP
Best league position: Champions in 1972, 1973, 1993, 1994
Team: Marcos; Vítor, Danilo, Léo, Pablo Armero; Pierre,
Edinho, Marcos Assunção, Cleiton Xavier, Lincoln; Robert
Other players: Maurício Ramos (DF), Figueroa (DF), Márcio
Araújo (DF/MF), Souza (MF), Lenny (FW), Marquinhos (FW)
Coach: Antônio Carlos
Last year's position: 5th
Objective: Sudamericana

Esporte Clube VITÓRIA
City: Salvador-BA
Best league position: 2nd in 1993
Team: Viáfara; Rafael, Wallace, Reniê, Egídio; Vanderson, Bida,
Uelliton, Renato; Neto Berola, Júnior
Other players: Anderson Martins (DF), Ramon (MF), Lenílson
(MF), Elkeson (MF), Adaílton (FW)
Coach: Ricardo Silva
Last year's position: 13th
Objective: Sudamericana

Sun, May 9:

Atlético-MG 2-1 Vasco da Gama
[Ricardinho 10', Muriqui 19' - Élton 56']
Galo do their homework.

Clube ATLÉTICO MINEIRO
City: Belo Horizonte-MG
Best league position: Champions in 1971
Team: Aranha; Carlos Alberto, Werley, Jairo Campos, Júnior;
Zé Luis, Fabiano, Correa, Ricardinho; Muriqui, Diego Tardelli
Other players: Carini (GK), Coelho (DF), Cáceres (DF), Evandro
(MF), Renan Oliveira (MF), Marques (FW), Obina (FW)
Coach: Wanderley Luxemburgo
Last year's position: 7th
Objective: Libertadores

Club de Regatas VASCO DA GAMA
City: Rio de Janeiro-RJ
Best league position: Champions in 1974, 1989, 1997, 2000
Team: Fernando Prass; Elder Granja, Thiago Martinelli, Dedé,
Ramon; Nilton, Rafael Carioca, Carlos Alberto, Philippe
Coutinho; Dodô, Elton
Other players: Titi (DF), Paulinho (DF/MF), Souza (MF), Jumar
(MF), Léo Gago (MF), Magno (MF), Fumagalli (MF/FW), Rodrigo
Pimpão (FW)
Last year's position: Promoted from Série B
Objective: Sudamericana

Corinthians 2-1 Atlético-PR
[Souza 60', Ronaldo 84' (PK) - Wagner Diniz 45+1' (FK)]
The usual Corinthians-friendly refereeing, apparently.

Sport Club CORINTHIANS Paulista
City: São Paulo-SP
Best league position: Champions in 1990, 1998, 1999, 2005
Team: Felipe; Alessandro, Chicão, William, Roberto Carlos;
Ralf, Elias, Danilo; Dentinho, Ronaldo, Jorge Henrique
Other players: Moacir (DF), Leandro Castán (DF), Jucilei (MF),
Edu (MF), Morais (MF), Boquita (MF), Tcheco (MF), Danilo (MF),
Souza (FW), Iarley (FW)
Coach: Mano Menezes
Last year's position: 10th
Objective: Title

Clube ATLÉTICO PARANAENSE
City: Curitiba-PR
Best league position: Champions in 2001
Team: Neto; Manoel, Rhodolfo, Bruno Costa; Wagner Diniz,
Valencia, Alan Bahia, Paulo Baier, Márcio Azevedo; Alex
Mineiro, Javier Toledo
Other players: Chico (DF/MF), Renan (MF), Tartá (MF), Netinho
(MF/FW), Wallyson (FW), Bruno Mineiro (FW)
Coach: Leandro Niehues
Last year's position: 14th
Objective: avoid relegation

Internacional 1-2 Cruzeiro
[Taison 7' - Kléber 5' (PK), 36']
Both teams used a lot of reserves, but Cruzeiro had Kléber
and that made the difference.

Sport Club INTERNACIONAL
City: Porto Alegre-RS
Best league position: Champions in 1975, 1976, 1979
Team: Abbondanzieri; Nei, Bolívar, Sorondo, Kléber; Sandro,
Guiñazú, D'Alessandro, Andrezinho; Walter, Alecsandro
Other players: Lauro (GK), Bruno Silva (DF), Índio (DF),
Fabiano Eller (DF), Wilson Mathias (MF), Glaydson (MF),
Giuliano (MF), Taison (FW), Marquinhos (FW)
Coach: Jorge Fossati
Last year's position: 2nd
Objective: Title

CRUZEIRO Esporte Clube
City: Belo Horizonte-MG
Best league position: Champions in 2003
Team: Fábio; Jonathan, Leonardo Silva, Gil, Diego Renan;
Fabrício, Henrique, Marquinhos Paraná, Gilberto; Kléber,
Thiago Ribeiro
Other players: Thiago Heleno (DF), Cláudio Caçapa (DF),
Fabinho (MF), Elicarlos (MF), Pedro Ken (MF), Soares (FW),
Guerrón (FW), Wellington Paulista (FW)
Coach: Adílson Batista
Last year's position: 4th
Objective: Title

Flamengo 1-1 São Paulo
[Dênis Marques 51' - Washington 45']
Mixed teams also for these two.

Clube de Regatas FLAMENGO
City: Rio de Janeiro-RJ
Best league position: Champions in 1980, 1982, 1983, 1992,
2009
Team: Bruno; Léo Moura, Ronaldo Angelim, David, Juan; Rômulo,
Maldonado, Willians, Kléberson; Vagner Love, Adriano
Other players: Álvaro (DF), Vinícius Pacheco (MF), Toró (MF),
Fierro (MF), Petkovic (MF), Michael (MF), Dênis Marques (FW)
Coach: Rogério Lourenço
Last year's position: 1st
Objective: Title

SÃO PAULO Futebol Clube
City: São Paulo-SP
Best league position: Champions in 1977, 1986, 1991, 2006,
2007, 2008
Team: Rogério Ceni; Cicinho, Alex Silva, Miranda, Richarlyson;
Rodrigo Souto, Hernanes, Jorge Wagner, Marlos; Dagoberto,
Washington
Other players: Bosco (GK), Renato Silva (DF), Júnior César
(DF/MF), Jean (MF), Cléber Santana (MF), Marcelinho Paraíba
(MF/FW), Fernandinho (FW), Fernandão (FW)
Coach: Ricardo Gomes
Last year's position: 3rd
Objective: Libertadores

Avaí 6-1 Grêmio Prudente
[Émerson 10', 45', 90', Roberto 53', Caio 65', 73' - Willian
27']
A win for Avaí was not unexpected, this score was. Prudente
played the whole second half with nine men.

AVAÍ Futebol Clube
City: Florianópolis-SC
Best league position: 6th in 2009
Team: Zé Carlos; Rafael, Émerson, Émerson Nunes, Uendel;
Marcinho Guerreiro, Batista, Davi, Robinho; Sávio, Vandinho
Other players: Patric (DF), Medina (MF), Fredson (MF), Caio
(MF), Leonardo (FW)
Coach: Péricles Chamusca
Last year's position: 6th
Objective: Sudamericana

GRÊMIO PRUDENTE Futebol Ltda.
City: Presidente Prudente-SP
Best league position: 11th in 2009
Team: Márcio; Paulo César, Paulão, Leonardo, Diego; João
Vitor, Marcelo Oliveira, Carlos Eduardo, Henrique Dias;
Flavinho, Tadeu
Other players: Dênis (DF), Wesley (FW)
Coach: Toninho Cecílio
Last year's position: 11th
Objective: avoid relegation

Ceará 1-0 Fluminense
[Geraldo 38' (PK)]

CEARÁ Sporting Club
City: Fortaleza-CE
Best league postition: 7th in 1985
Team: Diego; Diogo, Fabrício, Anderson, Thyago Fernandes;
Michel, João Marcos, Erick Flores, Geraldo, Preto, Misael
Other players: Michel Alves (GK), Heleno (DF/MF), Careca (MF),
Clodoaldo (FW), Schwenck (FW)
Coach: Paulo César Gusmão
Last year's position: Promoted from Série B
Objective: avoid relegation

FLUMINENSE Football Club
City: Rio de Janeiro-RJ
Best league position: Champions in 1984
Team: Rafael; Gum, Digão, Cássio; Mariano, Diguinho,
Marquinho, Conca, Júlio César; André Lima, Fred
Other players: Fernando Henrique (GK), Thiaguinho (DF),
Leandro Euzébio (DF), Equi González (MF), Willians (MF),
Wellington Silva (FW), Alan (FW)
Coach: Muricy Ramalho
Last year's position: 16th
Objective: Sudamericana

Guarani 1-0 Goiás
[Mazola 74']
Surprise win by the relegation favorites!

GUARANI Futebol Clube
City: Campinas-SP
Best league position: Champions in 1978
Team: Douglas; Rodrigo Heffner, Fabão, Ailson, Moreno; Renan,
Baiano, Paulo Roberto, Preto; Roger, Mazola
Other players: Maycon (MF), Walter Minhoca (MF)
Coach: Vágner Mancini
Last year's position: Promoted from Série B
Objective: avoid relegation

GOIÁS Esporte Clube
City: Goiânia-GO
Best league position: 3rd in 2005
Team: Harlei; Douglas, Rafael Tolói, Ernando, Jadilson; Túlio,
Rithelly, Romerito, Carlinhos Paraíba; Rafael Moura, Felipe
Other players: Augusto (DF), Fábio Bahia (MF), Everton Santos
(FW)
Coach: Émerson Leão
Last year's position: 9th
Objective: avoid relegation


Summary:

Title contenders
Corinthians, Cruzeiro, Flamengo, Grêmio, Inter, Santos

Libertadores hopeful
Atlético-MG, São Paulo

Other Sudamericana fighters
Avaí, Botafogo, Fluminense, Palmeiras, Vasco, Vitória

Relegation fighters
Atlético-GO, Atlético-PR, Ceará, Goiás, Guarani, Prudente

Tchau!
Jesus Petry
From: Futbolmetrix on 11 May 2010 07:12
On May 10, 8:15 pm, Jesus Petry <jesuspe...(a)pop.com.br> wrote:
> ****************************************************************
>  I'll combine the round results with the semi-Bordon.
>

Thanks.

Some comments and questions:

>  Corinthians 2-1 Atlético-PR
>   [Souza 60', Ronaldo 84' (PK) - Wagner Diniz 45+1' (FK)]
>   The usual Corinthians-friendly refereeing, apparently.

Not at all! All perfectly legit. Actually, who cares, since both teams
are in my Maluco squad.


> Sport Club CORINTHIANS Paulista
>  City: São Paulo-SP
>  Best league position: Champions in 1990, 1998, 1999, 2005
>  Team: Felipe; Alessandro, Chicão, William, Roberto Carlos;
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is this THE Roberto Carlos, one of the best attacking left backs in
the history of the game?


>
> SÃO PAULO Futebol Clube
>  City: São Paulo-SP
>  Best league position: Champions in 1977, 1986, 1991, 2006,
>   2007, 2008
>  Team: Rogério Ceni; Cicinho, Alex Silva, Miranda, Richarlyson;
>   Rodrigo Souto, Hernanes, Jorge Wagner, Marlos; Dagoberto,
>   Washington
>  Other players: Bosco (GK), Renato Silva (DF), Júnior César
>   (DF/MF), Jean (MF), Cléber Santana (MF), Marcelinho Paraíba
>   (MF/FW), Fernandinho (FW), Fernandão (FW)
>  Coach: Ricardo Gomes
>  Last year's position: 3rd
>  Objective: Libertadores

Huh? Is this just random Sao Paulo hating, or what? They finished
third last year, seems as if their core players are still around, why
don't you rate them as title contenders?



>
>  Title contenders
>   Corinthians, Cruzeiro, Flamengo, Grêmio, Inter, Santos
>
>  Libertadores hopeful
>   Atlético-MG, São Paulo
>
>  Other Sudamericana fighters
>   Avaí, Botafogo, Fluminense, Palmeiras, Vasco, Vitória
>
>  Relegation fighters
>   Atlético-GO, Atlético-PR, Ceará, Goiás, Guarani, Prudente

I have two title-contenders and two relegation fighters. Couldn't you
have posted these when we had to decide the teams? Just kidding....

D
From: Jesus Petry on 11 May 2010 10:17
On May 11, 8:12 am, Futbolmetrix <futbolmet...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 10, 8:15 pm, Jesus Petry <jesuspe...(a)pop.com.br> wrote:
> > Sport Club CORINTHIANS Paulista
> >  City: São Paulo-SP
> >  Best league position: Champions in 1990, 1998, 1999, 2005
> >  Team: Felipe; Alessandro, Chicão, William, Roberto Carlos;
>
>                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Is this THE Roberto Carlos, one of the best attacking left backs in
> the history of the game?

Yes, and he's been playing quite well for an old guy.

> > SÃO PAULO Futebol Clube
> >  City: São Paulo-SP
> >  Best league position: Champions in 1977, 1986, 1991, 2006,
> >   2007, 2008
> >  Team: Rogério Ceni; Cicinho, Alex Silva, Miranda, Richarlyson;
> >   Rodrigo Souto, Hernanes, Jorge Wagner, Marlos; Dagoberto,
> >   Washington
> >  Other players: Bosco (GK), Renato Silva (DF), Júnior César
> >   (DF/MF), Jean (MF), Cléber Santana (MF), Marcelinho Paraíba
> >   (MF/FW), Fernandinho (FW), Fernandão (FW)
> >  Coach: Ricardo Gomes
> >  Last year's position: 3rd
> >  Objective: Libertadores
>
> Huh? Is this just random Sao Paulo hating, or what? They finished
> third last year, seems as if their core players are still around, why
> don't you rate them as title contenders?

This year's São Paulo is way under expectations. Fernandão has just
been brought to provide a needed leadership in the group, maybe this
is a new beginning, but at the moment they can't expect to be one of
the top contenders.

> >  Title contenders
> >   Corinthians, Cruzeiro, Flamengo, Grêmio, Inter, Santos
>
> >  Libertadores hopeful
> >   Atlético-MG, São Paulo
>
> >  Other Sudamericana fighters
> >   Avaí, Botafogo, Fluminense, Palmeiras, Vasco, Vitória
>
> >  Relegation fighters
> >   Atlético-GO, Atlético-PR, Ceará, Goiás, Guarani, Prudente
>
> I have two title-contenders and two relegation fighters. Couldn't you
> have posted these when we had to decide the teams? Just kidding....

MH/Mark: two top teams, two bottom teams.
Daniele: two top, two bottom.
Lléo: two second tier (almost top), one middle, one bottom.
Luiz: one top, two middle, one bottom.
Sid/Milivella: one top, three middle.

I'd say it's reasonably balanced, giving the inner nuances of these
roughly parted groups.

Tchau!
Jesus Petry
From: Jesus Petry on 11 May 2010 18:08
On May 11, 6:18 pm, MH <MHnos...(a)ucalgary.ca> wrote:
> Jesus Petry wrote:
> > ****************************************************************
> >  I'll combine the round results with the semi-Bordon.
>
> >   Sat, May 8:
>
> >  Atlético-GO 0-0 Grêmio
> >   Victor saved Grêmio's mixed team from defeat at Serra Dourada.
>
> > ATLÉTICO Clube GOIANIENSE
> >  City: Goiânia-GO
> >  Best league position: 23rd in 1980
> >  Team: Márcio; Ayrton, Welton Felipe, Jairo, Tiago Feltri;
> >   Agenor, Pituca, Ramalho, Robston; Juninho,
>
> Which one? Pernambucano or another one?

Another one.

> > BOTAFOGO de Futebol e Regatas
> >  City: Rio de Janeiro-RJ
> >  Best league position: Champions in 1995
> >  Team: Jefferson; Fahel, Antônio Carlos, Fábio Ferreira;
> >   Alessandro, Leandro Guerreiro, Túlio Souza, Lúcio Flávio,
> >   Somália; Herrera, Sebastián Abreu
>
> Abreu from Uruguay? He is still around?

Yes, and he was called to the WC squad.

> >  Other players: Renan (GK),
>
> What happened to him? When with Valencia he was highly regarded as a
> future great GK

This is another Renan. That one from Valencia (and formerly
Internacional) is on loan to Xerez.

> > SANTOS Futebol Clube
> >  City: Santos-SP
> >  Best league position: Champions in 2002, 2004
> >  Team: Felipe; Pará, Edu Dracena, Durval, Léo; Arouca, Wesley,
> >   Paulo Henrique Lima; André, Neymar, Robinho
> >  Other players: Fábio Costa (GK), George Lucas (DF)
>
> Ok, what's the story on George Lucas?  A long time ago, in a ...

:-) He is currently injured. He's good at set pieces, giving *special
effects* on the ball. ;-P

> > Sociedade Esportiva PALMEIRAS
> >  City: São Paulo-SP
> >  Best league position: Champions in 1972, 1973, 1993, 1994
> >  Team: Marcos; Vítor, Danilo, Léo, Pablo Armero; Pierre,
> >   Edinho, Marcos Assunção, Cleiton Xavier, Lincoln;
>
> Marcos Assuncao formerly of Betis ?
> Lincoln formerly of Schalke and Kaiserslautern (LIncoln Cassio ?) then
> Turkey ?

Yes and yes.

> > Club de Regatas VASCO DA GAMA
> >  City: Rio de Janeiro-RJ
> >  Best league position: Champions in 1974, 1989, 1997, 2000
> >  Team: Fernando Prass; Elder Granja, Thiago Martinelli, Dedé,
>
> Same Dede that was in Dortmund ?

No. And that one is Dedê, still in Dortmund.

> > AVAÍ Futebol Clube
> >  City: Florianópolis-SC
> >  Best league position: 6th in 2009
> >  Team: Zé Carlos; Rafael, Émerson, Émerson Nunes, Uendel;
> >   Marcinho Guerreiro, Batista, Davi, Robinho; Sávio,
>
> The one formerly at Real Madrid and Zaragoza ?

Yes.

> > FLUMINENSE Football Club
> >  City: Rio de Janeiro-RJ
> >  Best league position: Champions in 1984
> >  Team: Rafael; Gum, Digão, Cássio; Mariano, Diguinho,
> >   Marquinho, Conca, Júlio César; André Lima, Fred
>
> Fred from Lyon ?

Yes.

> speaking of unusual names, whatever happened to Alain Delon and Claudio
> Pitbull ?

Allan Dellon has just won the DF State League with Ceilândia.
Cláudio Pitbull is with Marítimo (POR).

I know I owe you a repost of Brasileirão Maluco rules. I'll try to do
it tomorrow (it needs some reorganization).

 Tchau!
 Jesus Petry
From: milivella on 18 May 2010 06:01
Jesus Petry:

> Summary:
>
>  Title contenders
>   Corinthians, Cruzeiro, Flamengo, Grêmio, Inter, Santos
>
>  Libertadores hopeful
>   Atlético-MG, São Paulo

Bookies substantially agree with you (outright winner odds):
5.50 Santos
6.00 Corinthians
6.00 Internacional
7.50 Cruzeiro
8.00 Gremio
9.00 São Paulo [so they too rank them out of the top 5]
10.00 Botafogo
12.00 Flamengo
13.00 Atletico Mineiro
(source: http://www.betbrain.com/#/oddsOverview/Football-1-Brazil-Serie%20A%20/tn/186558327/site/0
)

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Cheers
milivella
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