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From: Lescor on 17 Oct 2009 03:05


"Stephen O'Connell" <no.spam(a)fk.u.com> wrote in message
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> "Kevin Wells" <kevinwells(a)talktalk.net> wrote in message
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>> In message <hbabrk$ki2$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>
>> "Stephen O'Connell" <no.spam(a)fk.u.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Stephen O'Connell" <no.spam(a)fk.u.com> wrote in message
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>>>> "Lescor" <lescor(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>>>>> Would you give Cech his place back now he is fit?
>>>>
>>>> Er... he wasn't injured, he was suspended... and still is in the
>>>> Premier
>>>> League.
>>>
>>>Actually just watching Chelsea TV, and found out that he isn't! As it was
>>>only a one match ban and not three as I thought. Ooops!
>>>
>>
>> I thought a straight red card was an automatic three game ban.
>
> I had to look it up earlier, as I remember the TV pundits at the time
> saying that Cech would serve a three match ban. But then today I saw on
> Chelsea TV that Petr Cech was back for the Villa game. It seems in the
> Premier League a straight red card is an automatic one game ban. Although
> a straight red card for violent conduct is a three match ban. The referee
> obviously deemed that Cech's challenge, while a foul, was not violent
> conduct. Which is fair enough.

I knew he was back for Villa. God knows why I said "fit" instead of
"available".

But the question remains. I am no expert on Chelsea's keepers, but Cech
has looked
a bit indecisive at times recently and his replacement very assured.


LC

From: Stephen O'Connell on 18 Oct 2009 10:55

"Lescor" <lescor(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> But the question remains. I am no expert on Chelsea's keepers, but
> Cech has looked a bit indecisive at times recently and his replacement
> very assured.

I am no expert either, just a fan, but I would fault Cech for the second
goal yesterday at Villa Park. He was too decisive in coming for the ball
there! But the defence in general hasn't been that great, especially from
set pieces, so I wouldn't put it all down to Petr Cech. Hilario did have a
good game against Liverpool, although he didn't have too much to do
really. I do think overall though that Cech is the better keeper. No goal
keeper is perfect. If Ancelotti can improve the marking at the back and
generally tighten the defence, Cech will be a lot more secure and we might
not let in some silly goals...


From: Lescor on 19 Oct 2009 08:17


"Stephen O'Connell" <no.spam(a)fk.u.com> wrote in message
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> "Lescor" <lescor(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:_aqdnTNPGttd8UTXnZ2dnUVZ8sadnZ2d(a)bt.com...
>> But the question remains. I am no expert on Chelsea's keepers, but
>> Cech has looked a bit indecisive at times recently and his replacement
>> very assured.
>
> I am no expert either, just a fan, but I would fault Cech for the second
> goal yesterday at Villa Park. He was too decisive in coming for the ball
> there! But the defence in general hasn't been that great, especially from
> set pieces, so I wouldn't put it all down to Petr Cech. Hilario did have a
> good game against Liverpool, although he didn't have too much to do
> really. I do think overall though that Cech is the better keeper. No goal
> keeper is perfect. If Ancelotti can improve the marking at the back and
> generally tighten the defence, Cech will be a lot more secure and we might
> not let in some silly goals...


I agree about that second goal. If you are going to come out then go through
with
it. Not sure that the first should have been in his territory either? This
was really the
point I was making. Fine keeper that he was, hasn't he shown weaknesses at
contested crosses a bit too often recently?

LC

From: Stephen O'Connell on 19 Oct 2009 20:33
> "Stephen O'Connell" <no.spam(a)fk.u.com> wrote in message
> news:hbfall$h7u$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Lescor" <lescor(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> news:_aqdnTNPGttd8UTXnZ2dnUVZ8sadnZ2d(a)bt.com...
>>
>> I am no expert either, just a fan, but I would fault Cech for the
>> second goal yesterday at Villa Park. He was too decisive in coming for
>> the ball there! But the defence in general hasn't been that great,
>> especially from set pieces, so I wouldn't put it all down to Petr Cech.
>> Hilario did have a good game against Liverpool, although he didn't have
>> too much to do really. I do think overall though that Cech is the
>> better keeper. No goal keeper is perfect. If Ancelotti can improve the
>> marking at the back and generally tighten the defence, Cech will be a
>> lot more secure and we might not let in some silly goals...
>
> I agree about that second goal. If you are going to come out then go
> through with it. Not sure that the first should have been in his
> territory either? This was really the point I was making. Fine keeper
> that he was, hasn't he shown weaknesses at
> contested crosses a bit too often recently?

IMHO Cech hasn't been the same at coming for crosses since the head
injury. Maybe that is a simplistic view, but it does seem that at times
his thoughts are more on trying not to let anyone head butt him in the
temple while they are going for a ball, than just thinking about getting
to the ball first. Not that I'd blame him after such a horrific injury
mind you. But it's true that Cech hasn't been the same 'keeper that he
once was. - My mate [Simon] has a view on it too, he reckons that the
goalkeeping coach that we had under Jose Mourinho was a lot better than
the ones we've had since! (?)


From: Lescor on 20 Oct 2009 07:14


"Stephen O'Connell" <no.spam(a)fk.u.com> wrote in message
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>> "Stephen O'Connell" <no.spam(a)fk.u.com> wrote in message
>> news:hbfall$h7u$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> "Lescor" <lescor(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> I am no expert either, just a fan, but I would fault Cech for the
>>> second goal yesterday at Villa Park. He was too decisive in coming for
>>> the ball there! But the defence in general hasn't been that great,
>>> especially from set pieces, so I wouldn't put it all down to Petr Cech.
>>> Hilario did have a good game against Liverpool, although he didn't have
>>> too much to do really. I do think overall though that Cech is the
>>> better keeper. No goal keeper is perfect. If Ancelotti can improve the
>>> marking at the back and generally tighten the defence, Cech will be a
>>> lot more secure and we might not let in some silly goals...
>>
>> I agree about that second goal. If you are going to come out then go
>> through with it. Not sure that the first should have been in his
>> territory either? This was really the point I was making. Fine keeper
>> that he was, hasn't he shown weaknesses at
>> contested crosses a bit too often recently?
>
> IMHO Cech hasn't been the same at coming for crosses since the head
> injury. Maybe that is a simplistic view, but it does seem that at times
> his thoughts are more on trying not to let anyone head butt him in the
> temple while they are going for a ball, than just thinking about getting
> to the ball first. Not that I'd blame him after such a horrific injury
> mind you. But it's true that Cech hasn't been the same 'keeper that he
> once was. - My mate [Simon] has a view on it too, he reckons that the
> goalkeeping coach that we had under Jose Mourinho was a lot better than
> the ones we've had since! (?)
I think you are probably correct. I thought he was once as good as any
keeper
in the world, but couldn't say the same now, and the bouts of uncertainty
seem to
have arrived since the injury? I sometimes wonder how much confidence
Terry
and the other defenders have in him in certain situations? A touch of
unease maybe?

LC

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