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From: Aaron on 12 Jul 2010 03:05 On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 15:24:14 +0100, Baldoni <BaldoniXXV(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >After serious thinking Aaron wrote : >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 12:45:16 +0200, "Bellende Belhamel" >> <bellendebelh(a)m.el> wrote: >> >>> Darth Simian wrote: >>>> A masonic initiation ritual intended to scare new members went >>>> tragically wrong when a gun firing blanks was accidentally swapped for >>>> one with live ammunition. >>>> >>>> As members of the Southside Masonic Lodge in Patchogue, New York >>>> looked on, novice William James was shot dead when one of the inner >>>> circle fired the wrong gun. >>>> >>>> Albert 'Pike' Eid, 76, who had a starting pistol in one pocket and a >>>> loaded .32 calibre gun in the other, was meant to "shoot" the fake as >>>> a pile of tin cans was toppled to startle Mr James. Instead he reached >>>> into the wrong pocket and shot the 47-year-old father of two in the >>>> head. >>>> >>>> Other masons called the police who arrested Mr Eid for second degree >>>> manslaughter. He was later freed on £1,500 bail. >>>> >>>> A police spokesman said the 10 people at the ritual were "quite >>>> stunned" as Mr James slumped dead in a chair. His widow, Wendy, said >>>> those present refused to say what had happened. "They can at least >>>> tell me, 'I'm sorry.' They were supposed to be Bill's brothers. Well >>>> brothers don't treat brothers that way." >>>> >>>> Mr James was being inducted into the Mason's Fellowcraft Club. Other >>>> lodge rituals included snapping rat traps in the faces of initiates >>>> and forcing them to walk a plank. The temple also had a guillotine in >>>> a basement. >>>> >>>> The Grand Lodge said guns were not normally used in its rituals. >>> >>> That was several years ago, and just in the building, not a ritual. >>> That is what they said anyway. >> >> It was an initiation into a non-Masonic club for police officers that >> was using a Masonic Lodge as a meeting place. >> >> In the US masons pass through the tree degrees fairly quickly, only a >> month being required between degrees by most Grand Lodges. So there >> is no need for a "Fellowcraft Club." Another News article about the >> incident indicated that the club was made up of police who were also >> Masons, but did nor specify whether or not non-Masons who were police >> could join.. > >I wager 9/11 hit the NYC Freemason police service hard and all the >jokers who used to put their money into the "NORAID" tin to fund the >PROVOS when they were romancing about old Ireland where their 10th >generation grandparents hailed from. 9/11 hit the whole city hard. >> >> A couple versions of the ritual for initiation into the Fellowcraft >> Degree can be found quite easily by anyone who really wants to know >> the facts, and shows that none of this has anything to do with >> Masonry. It also shows that DS does not question Freemasonry at all, >> he just makes wild pointless accusations. >> >> By the way, there was no "£1,500 bail" since Pounds are not used in >> the US. DS also changed the Albert Eid's name, adding "Pike" for no >> apparent reason. > >Guns masons and the KKK just do not mix well and it should be >eradicated. Yeah, Masonry is very opposed to the bigotry of the KKK. I am not sure which of these three you want "eradicated" but you are mentally unstable, so no answer would surprise.
From: Aaron on 12 Jul 2010 03:15 On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 00:56:13 +0100, Pakistan Meteorological Department <PMD(a)SIBU.HQ> wrote: >Aaron wrote: >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 12:45:16 +0200, "Bellende Belhamel" >> <bellendebelh(a)m.el> wrote: >> >> >>>Darth Simian wrote: >>> >>>>A masonic initiation ritual intended to scare new members went >>>>tragically wrong when a gun firing blanks was accidentally swapped for >>>>one with live ammunition. >>>> >>>>As members of the Southside Masonic Lodge in Patchogue, New York >>>>looked on, novice William James was shot dead when one of the inner >>>>circle fired the wrong gun. >>>> >>>>Albert 'Pike' Eid, 76, who had a starting pistol in one pocket and a >>>>loaded .32 calibre gun in the other, was meant to "shoot" the fake as >>>>a pile of tin cans was toppled to startle Mr James. Instead he reached >>>>into the wrong pocket and shot the 47-year-old father of two in the >>>>head. >>>> >>>>Other masons called the police who arrested Mr Eid for second degree >>>>manslaughter. He was later freed on £1,500 bail. >>>> >>>>A police spokesman said the 10 people at the ritual were "quite >>>>stunned" as Mr James slumped dead in a chair. His widow, Wendy, said >>>>those present refused to say what had happened. "They can at least >>>>tell me, 'I'm sorry.' They were supposed to be Bill's brothers. Well >>>>brothers don't treat brothers that way." >>>> >>>>Mr James was being inducted into the Mason's Fellowcraft Club. Other >>>>lodge rituals included snapping rat traps in the faces of initiates >>>>and forcing them to walk a plank. The temple also had a guillotine in >>>>a basement. >>>> >>>>The Grand Lodge said guns were not normally used in its rituals. >>> >>>That was several years ago, and just in the building, not a ritual. >>>That is what they said anyway. >> >> >> It was an initiation into a non-Masonic club for police officers that >> was using a Masonic Lodge as a meeting place. > > >Article doesn't state this, so cite. > >http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-9595758-novice-mason-shot-dead-in-initiation-ritual.do > > Wow! That article had absolutely no fact checking at all! Since versions of Masonic rituals are available online at anti=Masonic websites, which you kooks seem to love, you should already know that there is no use of guns, rat traps, or walking a plank in any Masonic ritual. They original new story in the US, where the events actually happened. > >> >> In the US masons pass through the tree degrees fairly quickly, only a >> month being required between degrees by most Grand Lodges. So there >> is no need for a "Fellowcraft Club." Another News article about the >> incident indicated that the club was made up of police who were also >> Masons, but did nor specify whether or not non-Masons who were police >> could join.. >> >> A couple versions of the ritual for initiation into the Fellowcraft >> Degree can be found quite easily by anyone who really wants to know >> the facts, and shows that none of this has anything to do with >> Masonry. It also shows that DS does not question Freemasonry at all, >> he just makes wild pointless accusations. >> >> By the way, there was no "£1,500 bail" since Pounds are not used in >> the US. DS also changed the Albert Eid's name, adding "Pike" for no >> apparent reason. >> > >It was quoted in the English press you idiot. Did you know that currency >can be converted? People in New York do not need to convert their money to Pounds to spend it. You must be a complete idiot!
From: Darth Simian on 12 Jul 2010 14:02 On 12 July, 16:02, ptk1071 <billarn...(a)optonline.net> wrote: > On Jul 10, 3:14 am, Darth Simian > > <great_sage_equal_of_heav...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > A masonic initiation ritual intended to scare new members went > > tragically wrong when a gun firing blanks was accidentally swapped for > > one with live ammunition. > > > As members of the Southside Masonic Lodge in Patchogue, New York > > looked on, novice William James was shot dead when one of the inner > > circle fired the wrong gun. > > > Albert 'Pike' Eid, 76, who had a starting pistol in one pocket and a > > loaded .32 calibre gun in the other, was meant to "shoot" the fake as > > a pile of tin cans was toppled to startle Mr James. Instead he reached > > into the wrong pocket and shot the 47-year-old father of two in the > > head. > > > Other masons called the police who arrested Mr Eid for second degree > > manslaughter. He was later freed on £1,500 bail. > > > A police spokesman said the 10 people at the ritual were "quite > > stunned" as Mr James slumped dead in a chair. His widow, Wendy, said > > those present refused to say what had happened. "They can at least > > tell me, 'I'm sorry.' They were supposed to be Bill's brothers. Well > > brothers don't treat brothers that way." > > > Mr James was being inducted into the Mason's Fellowcraft Club. Other > > lodge rituals included snapping rat traps in the faces of initiates > > and forcing them to walk a plank. The temple also had a guillotine in > > a basement. > > > The Grand Lodge said guns were not normally used in its rituals. > > -- > > KOOKERY SNIPPED! > > Well another epic fail Monkey Boy. This 'accident' happened in 2004. > The Grand Lodge did not say that guns are not normally used in > rituals, they said "guns are NOT used in rituals". Well so much for > Monkey Boys honesty. Really? Adding Pike to the individual's name who > caused the man's death accidentally? Accidents dont happen, they are caused. And I do not believe it was an accident. > This particular incident, tragic as it was, was not part of any > Masonic ritual. The individuals involved had a 'side' club called a > Fellowcraft club. This in itself is not uncommon. What was unique to > this group was that an initiation or hazing ritual was involved. Guns > have no place inside a Masonic Lodge ever. Try telling that to Mrs James > The result of this was that the Lodge's Charter was withdrawn and all > members suspended and those directly involved were expelled. Do you consider that a severe and just punishment for murder? In a justice system not controlled by Masonry, this poor victims brothers may have found themselves hanging by the neck until they were dead. > With that said, again this is old news. Anyone reading this can read > all about the incident here:http://www.masonicinfo.com/ny_shooting.htm You act like 2004 was a long time ago in a galaxy far away. > If this is all you have, in combination with the Taxil hoax, you are > truly a sad, sad excuse for a person. -- "They can at least tell me, 'I'm sorry.' They were supposed to be Bill's brothers. Well brothers don't treat brothers that way." Mrs Wendy James, wife of a new Masonic recruit to Southside Masonic Baphomery in Patchogue, New York, who was shot in the head and killed during a ritual by Grand Master Albert Pike Eid.
From: Aaron on 12 Jul 2010 16:27 On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:02:47 -0700 (PDT), Darth Simian <great_sage_equal_of_heaven_(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >On 12 July, 16:02, ptk1071 <billarn...(a)optonline.net> wrote: >> On Jul 10, 3:14 am, Darth Simian >> >> <great_sage_equal_of_heav...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> > A masonic initiation ritual intended to scare new members went >> > tragically wrong when a gun firing blanks was accidentally swapped for >> > one with live ammunition. >> >> > As members of the Southside Masonic Lodge in Patchogue, New York >> > looked on, novice William James was shot dead when one of the inner >> > circle fired the wrong gun. >> >> > Albert 'Pike' Eid, 76, who had a starting pistol in one pocket and a >> > loaded .32 calibre gun in the other, was meant to "shoot" the fake as >> > a pile of tin cans was toppled to startle Mr James. Instead he reached >> > into the wrong pocket and shot the 47-year-old father of two in the >> > head. >> >> > Other masons called the police who arrested Mr Eid for second degree >> > manslaughter. He was later freed on £1,500 bail. >> >> > A police spokesman said the 10 people at the ritual were "quite >> > stunned" as Mr James slumped dead in a chair. His widow, Wendy, said >> > those present refused to say what had happened. "They can at least >> > tell me, 'I'm sorry.' They were supposed to be Bill's brothers. Well >> > brothers don't treat brothers that way." >> >> > Mr James was being inducted into the Mason's Fellowcraft Club. Other >> > lodge rituals included snapping rat traps in the faces of initiates >> > and forcing them to walk a plank. The temple also had a guillotine in >> > a basement. >> >> > The Grand Lodge said guns were not normally used in its rituals. >> > -- >> >> KOOKERY SNIPPED! >> >> Well another epic fail Monkey Boy. This 'accident' happened in 2004. >> The Grand Lodge did not say that guns are not normally used in >> rituals, they said "guns are NOT used in rituals". Well so much for >> Monkey Boys honesty. Really? Adding Pike to the individual's name who >> caused the man's death accidentally? > >Accidents don't happen, they are caused. And I do not believe it was >an accident. DS, that is an extremely stupid statement. Accidents happen. Some might have been prevented, but if they were intentional they would not be accidents. There is no rational reason for your supposed belief that this was not an accident; so you are either insane or a liar, maybe both. > >> This particular incident, tragic as it was, was not part of any >> Masonic ritual. The individuals involved had a 'side' club called a >> Fellowcraft club. This in itself is not uncommon. What was unique to >> this group was that an initiation or hazing ritual was involved. Guns >> have no place inside a Masonic Lodge ever. > >Try telling that to Mrs James Why? Was she asking? Certainly, you did not think that was clever...? She has been told, the Grand Lodge took a decisive stand against any such behavior, the man who accidentally shot another man chose not to even defend himself, and the court has ruled in the case. > >> The result of this was that the Lodge's Charter was withdrawn and all >> members suspended and those directly involved were expelled. > >Do you consider that a severe and just punishment for murder? Since there was no murder, your question has no part of this discussion. It seems an adequate punishment in addition to those ruled by non-Masonic civil authorities. It is not as if Masonry has some sort of civil authority to jail or otherwise punish its members beyond suspension and expulsion. >In a >justice system not controlled by Masonry, this poor victims 'brothers' >may have found themselves hanging by the neck until they were dead. Obviously that could not happen in a justice system with any respect for human rights. Since the US justice System is not controlled by Masonry, and has some respect for human rights, what happened is a good example of a fair ruling. If Masonry controlled the Justice system in the US, the men involved would have been punished more severely. Masons are not allowed to cover up the crimes committed by other Masons or to protect other Masons from punishment for crimes committed. > >> With that said, again this is old news. Anyone reading this can read >> all about the incident here:http://www.masonicinfo.com/ny_shooting.htm > >You act like 2004 was a long time ago in a galaxy far away. With respect to news articles not archieved by kooks who make changes to them, it can be very distant. > >> If this is all you have, in combination with the Taxil hoax, you are >> truly a sad, sad excuse for a person. DS does not like to have much to do with reality.
From: Darth Simian on 12 Jul 2010 17:00
On 12 July, 21:27, Aaron <a...(a)home.net> wrote: > On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:02:47 -0700 (PDT), Darth Simian > > > > <great_sage_equal_of_heav...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >On 12 July, 16:02, ptk1071 <billarn...(a)optonline.net> wrote: > >> On Jul 10, 3:14 am, Darth Simian > > >> <great_sage_equal_of_heav...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > A masonic initiation ritual intended to scare new members went > >> > tragically wrong when a gun firing blanks was accidentally swapped for > >> > one with live ammunition. > > >> > As members of the Southside Masonic Lodge in Patchogue, New York > >> > looked on, novice William James was shot dead when one of the inner > >> > circle fired the wrong gun. > > >> > Albert 'Pike' Eid, 76, who had a starting pistol in one pocket and a > >> > loaded .32 calibre gun in the other, was meant to "shoot" the fake as > >> > a pile of tin cans was toppled to startle Mr James. Instead he reached > >> > into the wrong pocket and shot the 47-year-old father of two in the > >> > head. > > >> > Other masons called the police who arrested Mr Eid for second degree > >> > manslaughter. He was later freed on £1,500 bail. > > >> > A police spokesman said the 10 people at the ritual were "quite > >> > stunned" as Mr James slumped dead in a chair. His widow, Wendy, said > >> > those present refused to say what had happened. "They can at least > >> > tell me, 'I'm sorry.' They were supposed to be Bill's brothers. Well > >> > brothers don't treat brothers that way." > > >> > Mr James was being inducted into the Mason's Fellowcraft Club. Other > >> > lodge rituals included snapping rat traps in the faces of initiates > >> > and forcing them to walk a plank. The temple also had a guillotine in > >> > a basement. > > >> > The Grand Lodge said guns were not normally used in its rituals. > >> > -- > > >> KOOKERY SNIPPED! > > >> Well another epic fail Monkey Boy. This 'accident' happened in 2004. > >> The Grand Lodge did not say that guns are not normally used in > >> rituals, they said "guns are NOT used in rituals". Well so much for > >> Monkey Boys honesty. Really? Adding Pike to the individual's name who > >> caused the man's death accidentally? > > >Accidents dont happen, they are caused. And I do not believe it was > >an accident. > > DS, that is an extremely stupid statement. Accidents happen. Some > might have been prevented, but if they were intentional they would not > be accidents. There is no rational reason for your supposed belief > that this was not an accident; so you are either insane or a liar, > maybe both. > Im stupid? Did the lodge perform a risk assessment for a ritual involving a loaded and unloaded gun? Lol. Do you still claim Masons are so much smarter than the rest of us plebs? -- "They can at least tell me, 'I'm sorry.' They were supposed to be Bill's brothers. Well brothers don't treat brothers that way." Mrs Wendy James, wife of a new Masonic recruit to Southside Masonic Baphomery in Patchogue, New York, who was shot in the head and killed during a ritual by Grand Master Albert Pike Eid. |