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From: Futbolmetrix on 30 Jun 2010 09:12 "milivella" <milivella(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:1aa20aab-7c50-458b-9ca7-7ff662fabde4(a)d37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > Futbolmetrix: > >> (Of course, maybe I should just compromise on Spain beating Germany in >> the >> semi and Brazil in the final and force a draw. But then nobody would end >> up >> collecting the CLFS data...) > > What about Futbolmetrix collecting A-L players' data and Milivella > going for M-Z? Are you offering me a draw, as in chess? Each one collects half the data and nobody gets bragging rights? D
From: milivella on 30 Jun 2010 13:47 Futbolmetrix: > "milivella" <milive...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1aa20aab-7c50-458b-9ca7-7ff662fabde4(a)d37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > > > Futbolmetrix: > > >> (Of course, maybe I should just compromise on Spain beating Germany in > >> the > >> semi and Brazil in the final and force a draw. But then nobody would end > >> up > >> collecting the CLFS data...) > > > What about Futbolmetrix collecting A-L players' data and Milivella > > going for M-Z? > > Are you offering me a draw, as in chess? Each one collects half the data and > nobody gets bragging rights? No! :) The protasis was "If we end tied..." (do you accept, BTW?). If there is a loser he deserves to do the hard work *and* suffer the bragging! ;) (At least this is my answer for the time being. I've this increasingly louder voice in my head that tells the proposing such a bet was morally wrong...) -- Cheers milivella
From: Futbolmetrix on 1 Jul 2010 11:39 "milivella" <milivella(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:5f11d14a-4c36-454d-bf69-34635ab50b61(a)u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com... >> >> Are you offering me a draw, as in chess? Each one collects half the data >> and >> nobody gets bragging rights? > > No! :) The protasis was "If we end tied..." (do you accept, BTW?). If > there is a loser he deserves to do the hard work *and* suffer the > bragging! ;) Darn, he didn't bite! > (At least this is my answer for the time being. I've this increasingly > louder voice in my head that tells the proposing such a bet was > morally wrong...) Of course it was! As someone who is used to defend characters of impeccable moral fiber and unassailable virtue (Luciano Moggi, for example), let me tell you that your proposal was completely morally deviant. Even if you had not resorted to technological doping, still the fact that you were the one to make the first move gave you a huge advantage. At a minimum, the bet should have been handicapped. For example, your opponents should have started from 1.5 points. Of course, we are still in time to renegotiate the terms... D
From: milivella on 1 Jul 2010 12:10 Futbolmetrix: > "milivella" <milive...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:5f11d14a-4c36-454d-bf69-34635ab50b61(a)u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com... > > > > >> Are you offering me a draw, as in chess? Each one collects half the data > >> and > >> nobody gets bragging rights? > > > No! :) The protasis was "If we end tied..." (do you accept, BTW?). If > > there is a loser he deserves to do the hard work *and* suffer the > > bragging! ;) > > Darn, he didn't bite! :) > > (At least this is my answer for the time being. I've this increasingly > > louder voice in my head that tells the proposing such a bet was > > morally wrong...) > > Of course it was! As someone who is used to defend characters of impeccable > moral fiber and unassailable virtue (Luciano Moggi, for example) ...."an Italian hero"... > let me > tell you that your proposal was completely morally deviant. Even if you had > not resorted to technological doping, still the fact that you were the one > to make the first move gave you a huge advantage. Yep, I too thought it. But the doping part is worse IMO, because even if I would have saved the forms asking everybody to put down their predictions and then challenged only the ones that were different from Voros' ones, the substance of my act would have been the same: using a counter-intuitive truth(?) to fool some friends. > At a minimum, the bet > should have been handicapped. For example, your opponents should have > started from 1.5 points. Is it (roughly 10% of the total points one can score) an arbitrary quantity or is there some reason behind it? ;) > Of course, we are still in time to renegotiate the terms... I don't feel like doing it (even if I admit that I should accept any reasonable proposal from all the good people that accepted the bet). What I'm inclined to do is (assuming that I'll win!) make no use of my win: no bragging, no prizes, no history of Calcio Catania, no CLFS computation (at least, not by you alone). This wouldn't delete my moral deviation, but would stop its growth. :) -- Cheers milivella
From: milivella on 18 Jul 2010 04:44
Final update. Thanks to everyone who played. .. .. .. 1. Bet ====== Who will win the WC? Brazil+Spain vs. the rest of the world .. Thread ------ http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/bf4b580db426ff9/ .. Standings --------- Winner: FF (Spain) Loser: milivella .. .. .. 2. Bet ====== What will be the last stage reached by some major national teams? .. Thread ------ http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/b14d412382b63e48/ .. Standings --------- 5 milivella (FRA + SER + CIV + CMR + ENG) 4 futbolmetrix (ITA + CHI + POR + GER) 3 Abubakr (CHI + POR + ESP) 3 Clément (CHI + POR + ARG) 2 Enzo (ARG + CHI) .. .. .. 3. Unsophisticated Prediction Contest ===================================== What teams are underrated? .. Thread ------ http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/2a7e7b2b20d96f69/ .. Results ------- (I considered both Netherlands and Spain as losing finalists) SEMI-FINALS /\ -1 Brazil -2 England +2 Netherlands +3 Spain \/ QUARTER-FINALS /\ +1 Argentina -2 France +2 Germany -2 Italy -2 Ivory Coast +1 Paraguay -1 Portugal +2 Uruguay -1 USA \/ 2ND ROUND /\ -1 Algeria -1 Australia -1 Cameroon +1 Chile -1 Denmark +2 Ghana -1 Greece -1 Honduras +1 Japan +1 Mexico -1 New Zealand -1 Nigeria -1 North Korea -1 Serbia +1 Slovakia -1 Slovenia -1 South Africa +1 South Korea -1 Switzerland \/ GROUP STAGE .. Standings --------- +5 Binder Dundat +4 (Simulations Collective) +4 El Kot +3 Jesper Lauridsen +3 Jesus Petry +2 Clément +1 Real Mardin 0 Abubakr 0 anders t 0 Google Beta User 0 Mark -1 Futbolmetrix -1 Juan Vazquez -1 milivella -2 Joachim Parsch -2 Mark V. -2 MH (Binder Dundat picked Argentina, Germany, Ghana and Mexico) .. Spreadsheet ----------- http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgU9XwgMT4SkdE41TlctLXdMcDcxSzBTOXZ5WTc3dWc&hl=en&output=html .. .. .. -- Cheers milivella |