World Cup 2010 Semi-Final Day Two
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From: Joachim Parsch on 8 Jul 2010 07:06 Werner Pichler schrieb: > > On 8 Jul., 10:05, Joachim Parsch <s...(a)bunuel.franken.de> wrote: > > Werner Pichler schrieb: > > > > > two great teams battling it out relying on > > > their footballing skills and their tactical nous alone, helped > > > along by an excellent referee as Kassai. > > > > No, Germany wasn't great yesterday. Somehow they didn't believe, > > that they could win this. After about 15 minutes I already had > > this hopeless feeling. Just a few comments: > > This is giving Spain too little credit. Maybe, but it's already giving Spain way more credit than I'm used to giving them ;-) > The reason Germany > couldn't play like against England or Argentina is that > Spain didn't allow it. Of course, the spanish midfield has much more quality than the Argies. But Germany could have coped much better with that. Maybe the nerves, maybe I don't know what. Interestingly, the best play of the match was the build-up to Kroos' chance. That's why I think that Spain was eminently beatable yesterday: somehow they lack the precision in building really good scoring chances. > I admit I overlooked the Ramos incident, which should have > warranted a yellow. ....and the foul on �zil at least a second yellow (and a dangerous free kick - at first I thought it was a penalty, but people say, that the foul was outside the box). > Still, very few fouls in this match. Well, the referee missed some fouls, more than usual, I think. > Of > course, Germany could have played more aggressively, > "durch den Kampf ins Spiel zur�ckfinden" and all that, but > I very much prefer them if they don't. But then, I'm no > German fan... :) If you're not in the match, you have to play aggressively. Anything else means just waving the white flag. Joachim
From: forssberg on 8 Jul 2010 08:21 On Jul 8, 4:34 am, Werner Pichler <wpich...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 8 Jul., 10:05, Joachim Parsch <s...(a)bunuel.franken.de> wrote: > > > Werner Pichler schrieb: > > > > two great teams battling it out relying on > > > their footballing skills and their tactical nous alone, helped > > > along by an excellent referee as Kassai. > > > No, Germany wasn't great yesterday. Somehow they didn't believe, > > that they could win this. After about 15 minutes I already had > > this hopeless feeling. Just a few comments: > > This is giving Spain too little credit. The reason Germany > couldn't play like against England or Argentina is that > Spain didn't allow it. That would be true if Germany's poor passing was entirely or mostly due to Spain's pressing and defending. That's not the case. Germany's passing was imprecise irrespective of what the Spanish players were doing. On many occasions Schweinsteiger, Khedira and Co were just gifting the ball through hopelessly imprecise passes. That's clearly a symptom that the Germans did not have their usual mentality. In other words, they choked.
From: Joachim Parsch on 8 Jul 2010 08:43 forssberg schrieb: > That's clearly a > symptom that the Germans did not have their usual mentality. In other > words, they choked. Yes. One could even use this match for education: "Daddy, what is choking?" - "Ok, boy, I'll show you: Here's Spain vs. Germany from 2010..." :-) Joachim
From: Insane Ranter on 8 Jul 2010 09:51 On Jul 8, 4:10 am, anders t <anthu_001(a)no_-_spam_.hotmail.com> wrote: > Quoting Joachim Parsch in rec.sport.soccer: > > >Question: What is the difference between handball and Spanish football? > >Answer: In handball the refs whistle for time waisting, if you pass > >the ball uselessly around for 10 minutes... > > Actually 30 seconds... And we get more rules to give us more reasons to yell controversy!
From: JK on 8 Jul 2010 11:19
Werner Pichler wrote: > On 8 Jul., 10:05, Joachim Parsch <s...(a)bunuel.franken.de> wrote: >> Werner Pichler schrieb: >> >>> two great teams battling it out relying on >>> their footballing skills and their tactical nous alone, helped >>> along by an excellent referee as Kassai. >> No, Germany wasn't great yesterday. Somehow they didn't believe, >> that they could win this. After about 15 minutes I already had >> this hopeless feeling. Just a few comments: > > This is giving Spain too little credit. The reason Germany > couldn't play like against England or Argentina is that > Spain didn't allow it. The Germans delivered an honourable > battle in midfield, and even they came up short in the end, > they gave the Spaniards enough reasons to worry. > Like a venomous snake that only snaps twice, but each > occasion (�zil & Kroos) could have spelled a semifinal > exit for the Spaniards. My impression was that the game > was actually on the edge for the longest time. > > I admit I overlooked the Ramos incident, which should have > warranted a yellow. Still, very few fouls in this match. Of > course, Germany could have played more aggressively, > "durch den Kampf ins Spiel zur�ckfinden" and all that, but > I very much prefer them if they don't. But then, I'm no > German fan... :) > > And I don't think Puyol's header was a 'cheap' goal, it > was the logical conclusion of the continual wearing > down of the otherwise extremely disciplined and > resourceful German defence. One slip is all it takes, > not only in this respect football is very much like chess. In fact it was a very "German" goal in that respect. :) I am in agreement with some of your other points as well. I think Germany planned from the outset to win 1-0 and played an accordingly cautious game. My sense was they were just waiting for the right counterattack. But I think that what they didn't count on was the Spanish getting stronger as the game went on, particularly in midfield and on defense, and strangled any counters before they could get going. Spain really was all over them in the middle of the field and Pique and Puyol were also very solid. Still, had Kroos scored on his chance, the game would have gone exactly as planned from a German perspective. It also doesn't help that Oezil did not have a good match. > > Ciao, > Werner |