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From: Joachim Parsch on 8 Jul 2010 04:05 Werner Pichler schrieb: > two great teams battling it out relying on > their footballing skills and their tactical nous alone, helped > along by an excellent referee as Kassai. No, Germany wasn't great yesterday. Somehow they didn't believe, that they could win this. After about 15 minutes I already had this hopeless feeling. Just a few comments: - I disagree about the ref. Ramos' tackle of Podolski was not only similar, but outright identical to the tackle, that got Ribery correctly sent off in the CL semifinal. Ramos wasn't even booked. Ramos then should have been sent off just before half-time, for his foul on �zil (in itself close to a red, because he was the last man there). Would have changed the match, though we didn't deserve it, of course. Maybe it's balanced by the England goal. - I was missing the spirit in the Germans. Not only did they play like a rabbit in front of a snake, they didn't even try to pull themselves out of that hole. After �zil being clearly fouled by Ramos, no one even complained. A clear sign of having already resigned. Yes, Spain were better, but they are Spain and had big, big problems of actually creating scoring chances. The Urus showed on Tuesday, how you can come close to an upset. Germany didn't try. - as for the German spirit: compare it to the Spaniards. When Alonso leg-scissored Khedira in midfield, playing also the ball in the process (as you automatically do, when leg-tackling the player, who holds the ball), he was complaining loudly. This showed, that they were fighting to win this match. Germany didn't. Spain played better than Germany, which can happen on any day, but yesterday they also showed more fighting spirit. For a German team in a WC semifinal that was a rather uninspired performance, on all bases. In a way, the defeat yesterday hurt much more than the loss against Italy four years ago. Against Italy, Germany did their best, but couldn't cope against a better team. Yesterday they also lost deservedly against a better team - but there was much more possible. I mean, the team plays without spirit, without heart and still loses by just the cheapest goal imaginable, a header from a corner? Come on, U Kannot B Sirius... And yes, missing Ballack hurt us yesterday. Perhaps Schweinsteiger will be in his footsteps in 4 years, yesterday he was not yet completely ready (though he was one of the best in the team). > So maybe it was no 'all time great football match' but it > was memorable, for the clean spirit in which it was played, > for the tactical precision both teams showed and for the pure > class that the Spanish team exhibited. In 30 years or so > it will be them that will be remembered as 'legends'. I'm still not convinced by Spain. Which means, that they probably will win the big prize, because the international football god seems to take great pleasure in annoying me for quite some years now. They still do not much more than pass the ball around the box. Just as Barca so hopelessly did in the return leg against Inter. Question: What is the difference between handball and Spanish football? Answer: In handball the refs whistle for time waisting, if you pass the ball uselessly around for 10 minutes... As for Sunday, I really hope in Sneijder, Bommel and Robben. So it's curtains for the Dutch. All this post can be summarized in the true words of wisdom of Futbolmetrix, the resident football philospher: Football sucks. Joachim P.S. Hey Daniele: That's the 8th final in a row with Bayern players on the field. Now where are those guys from Juve? ;-P
From: Werner Pichler on 8 Jul 2010 04:34 On 8 Jul., 10:05, Joachim Parsch <s...(a)bunuel.franken.de> wrote: > Werner Pichler schrieb: > > > two great teams battling it out relying on > > their footballing skills and their tactical nous alone, helped > > along by an excellent referee as Kassai. > > No, Germany wasn't great yesterday. Somehow they didn't believe, > that they could win this. After about 15 minutes I already had > this hopeless feeling. Just a few comments: This is giving Spain too little credit. The reason Germany couldn't play like against England or Argentina is that Spain didn't allow it. The Germans delivered an honourable battle in midfield, and even they came up short in the end, they gave the Spaniards enough reasons to worry. Like a venomous snake that only snaps twice, but each occasion (Özil & Kroos) could have spelled a semifinal exit for the Spaniards. My impression was that the game was actually on the edge for the longest time. I admit I overlooked the Ramos incident, which should have warranted a yellow. Still, very few fouls in this match. Of course, Germany could have played more aggressively, "durch den Kampf ins Spiel zurückfinden" and all that, but I very much prefer them if they don't. But then, I'm no German fan... :) And I don't think Puyol's header was a 'cheap' goal, it was the logical conclusion of the continual wearing down of the otherwise extremely disciplined and resourceful German defence. One slip is all it takes, not only in this respect football is very much like chess. Ciao, Werner
From: Mark on 8 Jul 2010 06:21 On Jul 8, 12:30 am, Mehdi <Be...(a)soccer-europe.com> wrote: > There will be a new name on the Jules Rimet trophy this Sunday. I thought it was just the old trophy (the one that Brazil kept after winning it again in 1970) that was called the Jules Rimet trophy?
From: RED DEVIL on 8 Jul 2010 06:33 On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 03:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Mark <Pammiesheart(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >On Jul 8, 12:30�am, Mehdi <Be...(a)soccer-europe.com> wrote: > >> There will be a new name on the Jules Rimet trophy this Sunday. > >I thought it was just the old trophy (the one that Brazil kept after >winning it again in 1970) that was called the Jules Rimet trophy? You are correct, this world cup is not the Jules Rimet RED DEVIL
From: RED DEVIL on 8 Jul 2010 06:36
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 03:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Mark <Pammiesheart(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >On Jul 8, 12:30�am, Mehdi <Be...(a)soccer-europe.com> wrote: > >> There will be a new name on the Jules Rimet trophy this Sunday. > >I thought it was just the old trophy (the one that Brazil kept after >winning it again in 1970) that was called the Jules Rimet trophy? Actually the Jules Rimet trophy was kept by Brasil after they won it in 1970 but then was stolen and melted down. Brasil paid for a new trophy to be made. RED DEVIL |