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From: Real Mardin on 3 Jul 2010 07:07
On Jul 2, 10:25 pm, Google Beta User <wanyik...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think there was a fairtayle aspect to Ghana's run.

Only in so far as the continent of Africa appeared to be behind them
and had they won they'd have been the first African team to make the
semi finals. Lets not kid ourselves, though, as great as last night's
game was (and as far as dramatic games go, it *was* great), Cameroon
90 this team are not. Beating Serbia with a debatable penalty and
getting past USA after extra time shouldn't be the stuff fairytales
are made of.

 >And as the
> Guardian put it, "It takes a real streak of evil to win like that"

What a load of horseshit! Maybe that sentence has been taken out of
context as I haven't read the main article, but there is nothing
"evil" in a player sacrificing himself to prevent a goal being scored
against his nation in a World Cup game, that's if the handball was
even deliberate and not an instintive reaction (even at park level
it's amazing how often a hand will go up from an outfield player when
the keeper is already beaten and the ball is about to cross the line).
"Streak of evil", dear oh dear, I'd love to see the Guardian's
reaction if John Terry had stopped a certain goal v Germany by
handballing on the line, he'd be the nations hero again no doubt.

I'm a bit fed up with Uruguay being cast as villains in this
tournament. They cannot do right for doing wrong. Everyone expected
them to turn up, put 9 men behind the ball and kick their opponents
six feet in the air, in which case of course we'd all have loved to
condemn them as the dirty team of the World Cup. In reality they
turned up as arguably the most positive Uruguay team for at least 24
years, blessed with an exciting attacking pairing, yet still people
paint them as villains because they've been unfortunate enough to be
paired against everybody's darlings South Africa and Ghana (and have
had the audacity to win both of those games).

People, Uruguay are not villains, they're just a team doing what they
can to represent their nation and frankly, if I was Uruguayan, I'd be
damn proud of what they've achieved so far.

> I was neutral before, and now I feel justice dictates they get
> theirs.  Yes, I know that sounds new agey woo woo....

Whoaaaa, calm down. Look, even taking into account Holland's win over
the mighty Brazil yesterday, Uruguay have brought more to this World
Cup than the Dutch have (remember, Holland were downright boring to
watch before yesterday's quarter final) and that's why I'll be
cheering for La Celeste in the semi final.


RM


From: Bruce D. Scott on 3 Jul 2010 12:43
Real Mardin (real_mardin(a)yahoo.co.uk) wrote:

[...]

Thanks for those thoughts RM, you've influenced the way I see this.
Uruguay are not evil, Suarez did what he thought he had to do.

Still, a 2 match ban is not out of order. A red card for any deliberate
offense usually brings that.

Don't count them out. I saw enough from Forlan at the end of this
season to know better than to do that.

I actually thought Uruguay were rather clean in this match. Re Suarez I
also think that diving is diving, not cheating, not different from any
other foul (e.g. grabbing or shirt pulling) and it is up to the referee
to decide to what extent it should be punished. I don't think Suarez
was nearly as bad with that as Kaka and some others either.

--
ciao,
Bruce

drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
From: William Clark on 3 Jul 2010 16:39
In article <i0npbi$1ejv$2(a)gwdu112.gwdg.de>,
bds(a)ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce D. Scott) wrote:

> Real Mardin (real_mardin(a)yahoo.co.uk) wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> Thanks for those thoughts RM, you've influenced the way I see this.
> Uruguay are not evil, Suarez did what he thought he had to do.
>
> Still, a 2 match ban is not out of order. A red card for any deliberate
> offense usually brings that.
>
> Don't count them out. I saw enough from Forlan at the end of this
> season to know better than to do that.
>
> I actually thought Uruguay were rather clean in this match. Re Suarez I
> also think that diving is diving, not cheating, not different from any
> other foul (e.g. grabbing or shirt pulling) and it is up to the referee
> to decide to what extent it should be punished. I don't think Suarez
> was nearly as bad with that as Kaka and some others either.
>
> --
> ciao,
> Bruce
>
> drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/

Yes, but it seems to me the issue is more about treating Ghana justly,
rather than punishing Suarez.
From: Bruce D. Scott on 3 Jul 2010 22:46
William Clark (wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com) wrote:

: Yes, but it seems to me the issue is more about treating Ghana justly,
: rather than punishing Suarez.

What a chimera that is. I hardly see justice wishing having an address
of the free kick itself. Same as in the USA-Slovenia situation. For
myself, once I was reminded of that I had no problem with the referee's
call.

--
ciao,
Bruce

drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
From: William Clark on 4 Jul 2010 12:24
In article <i0osmr$28af$6(a)gwdu112.gwdg.de>,
bds(a)ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce D. Scott) wrote:

> William Clark (wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com) wrote:
>
> : Yes, but it seems to me the issue is more about treating Ghana justly,
> : rather than punishing Suarez.
>
> What a chimera that is. I hardly see justice wishing having an address
> of the free kick itself. Same as in the USA-Slovenia situation. For
> myself, once I was reminded of that I had no problem with the referee's
> call.
>


If you could put this in English, I could figure out what you are trying
to say.
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