Uruguay and cosmic justice
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From: Andres Martinez-Alegria on 6 Jul 2010 08:52 On Jul 4, 10:16 pm, b...(a)ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce D. Scott) wrote: > I just saw the repeat broadcast of the match Uruguay vs Ghana. > In that critical half-minute at the end, one of the worst dives of the > whole tournament, worse than the one Holland got a yellow card for, set > up the free kick at about 119'30 So it went in and you all know what > happened. The point is... had this play resulted in a goal it would > have been a massive ripoff against Uruguay. The free kick was not at > all justified. (Kudos to Benny for pointing this out... I doubt a lot > of people saw it in real time... knowing when to look, it was quite > obvious though. On the field it should have been obvious.) > > Of course all the lily white moralists ("correct" if you agree with them > but you're morally inferior if you do not) have still never mentioned > this part of the play. So cheating is cheating, so why are they not up > in arms at the potentially crucial ripoff of Uruguay? Doesn't fit their > Manichean picture I suppose. Ghana are the darlings and Uruguay, > despite their very clean tournament, are consigned to be the bad guys. > Partly due to history, partly just because they are South American... > I guess that's the way it is with some of these people, all of whom come > from northern countries. > > So as we know the penalty was missed and Cosmic Justice was served. > Ghana did not get a free goal at the end and the teams went to penalties > fair and square. Uruguay came up the better team but it could have been > otherwise. But the game was decided in the penalties fair and square > and not as the result of a terrible error by the referee. As it > happens, the result of that referee error is that they are missing > Suarez in the semifinals. > > So it was also for the US... fortunately the players overcame whatever > situation they were in, and whether you agree with the calls or not, in > the end they had no effect on the overall result (we won our group). > That's how it should be. > > Uruguay deserve their place in the last four. > > -- > ciao, > Bruce > > drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/ Bruce, THANK YOU! I was beginning to think I was the only one who had seen this! I had actually noticed it when it happened, and have watched it over and over to verify. It is a horrible dive (something Ghana has been developing a reputation for in the World Cup, which has taken them, in my list of teams to root for, from up high with the "little guys who deserve a chance" like South Korea or Slovakia, down to "dirty, disgraceful players" like Italy or Portugal). And Bob, since when do you need replay to make video footage worthwhile? Watching it real-time it is pretty obvious, Fucile was a good 2 yards away AND backing off when Dominic Adiyiah fell. The free kick should have never been granted, but it was, and Suarez shouldn't have handled the ball, but he did. The difference is, Ghana didn't get penalized for its dive, Uruguay got penalized for its handball, but Ghana just couldn't convert! Anyways, if you go to espn3.com to rewatch it, drag the bar to the 2:59:40 mark of the telecast (about the 119:30 mark of the game) and see for yourself.
From: Bob on 6 Jul 2010 10:00 Andres Martinez-Alegria wrote: > On Jul 4, 10:16 pm, b...(a)ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce D. Scott) wrote: >> I just saw the repeat broadcast of the match Uruguay vs Ghana. >> In that critical half-minute at the end, one of the worst dives of >> the whole tournament, worse than the one Holland got a yellow card >> for, set up the free kick at about 119'30 So it went in and you all >> know what happened. The point is... had this play resulted in a goal >> it would have been a massive ripoff against Uruguay. The free kick >> was not at all justified. (Kudos to Benny for pointing this out... I >> doubt a lot of people saw it in real time... knowing when to look, >> it was quite obvious though. On the field it should have been >> obvious.) >> >> Of course all the lily white moralists ("correct" if you agree with >> them but you're morally inferior if you do not) have still never >> mentioned this part of the play. So cheating is cheating, so why are >> they not up in arms at the potentially crucial ripoff of Uruguay? >> Doesn't fit their Manichean picture I suppose. Ghana are the >> darlings and Uruguay, despite their very clean tournament, are >> consigned to be the bad guys. Partly due to history, partly just >> because they are South American... >> I guess that's the way it is with some of these people, all of whom >> come from northern countries. >> >> So as we know the penalty was missed and Cosmic Justice was served. >> Ghana did not get a free goal at the end and the teams went to >> penalties fair and square. Uruguay came up the better team but it >> could have been otherwise. But the game was decided in the penalties >> fair and square and not as the result of a terrible error by the >> referee. As it happens, the result of that referee error is that >> they are missing Suarez in the semifinals. >> >> So it was also for the US... fortunately the players overcame >> whatever situation they were in, and whether you agree with the >> calls or not, in the end they had no effect on the overall result >> (we won our group). That's how it should be. >> >> Uruguay deserve their place in the last four. >> >> -- >> ciao, >> Bruce >> >> drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/ > > Bruce, > > THANK YOU! I was beginning to think I was the only one who had seen > this! I had actually noticed it when it happened, and have watched it > over and over to verify. It is a horrible dive (something Ghana has > been developing a reputation for in the World Cup, BS. which has taken > them, in my list of teams to root for, from up high with the "little > guys who deserve a chance" like South Korea or Slovakia, down to > "dirty, disgraceful players" like Italy or Portugal). And Bob, since > when do you need replay to make video footage worthwhile? always when the original footage is from too far to see someone tripping someone else Watching it > real-time it is pretty obvious, Fucile was a good 2 yards away lie AND > backing off blatant lie when Dominic Adiyiah fell. The free kick should have never > been granted, but it was, and Suarez shouldn't have handled the ball, > but he did. The difference is, Ghana didn't get penalized for its > dive, Uruguay got penalized for its handball, but Ghana just couldn't > convert! Anyways, if you go to espn3.com to rewatch it, drag the bar > to the 2:59:40 mark of the telecast (about the 119:30 mark of the > game) and see for yourself. and, one more to be added to the pathetic liar/delusional poster column.
From: MH on 6 Jul 2010 12:03 Bob wrote: > Andres Martinez-Alegria wrote: >> On Jul 4, 10:16 pm, b...(a)ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce D. Scott) wrote: >>> I just saw the repeat broadcast of the match Uruguay vs Ghana. >>> In that critical half-minute at the end, one of the worst dives of >>> the whole tournament, worse than the one Holland got a yellow card >>> for, set up the free kick at about 119'30 So it went in and you all >>> know what happened. The point is... had this play resulted in a goal >>> it would have been a massive ripoff against Uruguay. The free kick >>> was not at all justified. (Kudos to Benny for pointing this out... I >>> doubt a lot of people saw it in real time... knowing when to look, >>> it was quite obvious though. On the field it should have been >>> obvious.) >>> >>> Of course all the lily white moralists ("correct" if you agree with >>> them but you're morally inferior if you do not) have still never >>> mentioned this part of the play. So cheating is cheating, so why are >>> they not up in arms at the potentially crucial ripoff of Uruguay? >>> Doesn't fit their Manichean picture I suppose. Ghana are the >>> darlings and Uruguay, despite their very clean tournament, are >>> consigned to be the bad guys. Partly due to history, partly just >>> because they are South American... >>> I guess that's the way it is with some of these people, all of whom >>> come from northern countries. >>> >>> So as we know the penalty was missed and Cosmic Justice was served. >>> Ghana did not get a free goal at the end and the teams went to >>> penalties fair and square. Uruguay came up the better team but it >>> could have been otherwise. But the game was decided in the penalties >>> fair and square and not as the result of a terrible error by the >>> referee. As it happens, the result of that referee error is that >>> they are missing Suarez in the semifinals. >>> >>> So it was also for the US... fortunately the players overcame >>> whatever situation they were in, and whether you agree with the >>> calls or not, in the end they had no effect on the overall result >>> (we won our group). That's how it should be. >>> >>> Uruguay deserve their place in the last four. >>> >>> -- >>> ciao, >>> Bruce >>> >>> drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/ >> Bruce, >> >> THANK YOU! I was beginning to think I was the only one who had seen >> this! I had actually noticed it when it happened, and have watched it >> over and over to verify. It is a horrible dive (something Ghana has >> been developing a reputation for in the World Cup, > > BS. > > which has taken >> them, in my list of teams to root for, from up high with the "little >> guys who deserve a chance" like South Korea or Slovakia, down to >> "dirty, disgraceful players" like Italy or Portugal). And Bob, since >> when do you need replay to make video footage worthwhile? > > always when the original footage is from too far to see someone tripping > someone else > > Watching it >> real-time it is pretty obvious, Fucile was a good 2 yards away > > lie > > AND >> backing off > > blatant lie > > when Dominic Adiyiah fell. The free kick should have never >> been granted, but it was, and Suarez shouldn't have handled the ball, >> but he did. The difference is, Ghana didn't get penalized for its >> dive, Uruguay got penalized for its handball, but Ghana just couldn't >> convert! Anyways, if you go to espn3.com to rewatch it, drag the bar >> to the 2:59:40 mark of the telecast (about the 119:30 mark of the >> game) and see for yourself. > > and, one more to be added to the pathetic liar/delusional poster column. > > Hold on Bob. You can't conclude, based on the limited video evidence, that this was not a dive. All you can say is that in real time, and from that angle, there is no obvious foul. There may have been a slight shove in the back that was embelished, and the ref may have seen this and been correct in his call (his angle was completely different). We don't know. But you can't say for sure that this was not a dive. And what about Appiah being offside?
From: Bob on 6 Jul 2010 13:22 MH wrote: > Bob wrote: >> Andres Martinez-Alegria wrote: >>> On Jul 4, 10:16 pm, b...(a)ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce D. Scott) wrote: >>>> I just saw the repeat broadcast of the match Uruguay vs Ghana. >>>> In that critical half-minute at the end, one of the worst dives of >>>> the whole tournament, worse than the one Holland got a yellow card >>>> for, set up the free kick at about 119'30 So it went in and you all >>>> know what happened. The point is... had this play resulted in a >>>> goal it would have been a massive ripoff against Uruguay. The free >>>> kick was not at all justified. (Kudos to Benny for pointing this >>>> out... I doubt a lot of people saw it in real time... knowing when >>>> to look, it was quite obvious though. On the field it should have >>>> been obvious.) >>>> >>>> Of course all the lily white moralists ("correct" if you agree with >>>> them but you're morally inferior if you do not) have still never >>>> mentioned this part of the play. So cheating is cheating, so why >>>> are they not up in arms at the potentially crucial ripoff of >>>> Uruguay? Doesn't fit their Manichean picture I suppose. Ghana are >>>> the darlings and Uruguay, despite their very clean tournament, are >>>> consigned to be the bad guys. Partly due to history, partly just >>>> because they are South American... >>>> I guess that's the way it is with some of these people, all of whom >>>> come from northern countries. >>>> >>>> So as we know the penalty was missed and Cosmic Justice was served. >>>> Ghana did not get a free goal at the end and the teams went to >>>> penalties fair and square. Uruguay came up the better team but it >>>> could have been otherwise. But the game was decided in the >>>> penalties fair and square and not as the result of a terrible >>>> error by the referee. As it happens, the result of that referee >>>> error is that they are missing Suarez in the semifinals. >>>> >>>> So it was also for the US... fortunately the players overcame >>>> whatever situation they were in, and whether you agree with the >>>> calls or not, in the end they had no effect on the overall result >>>> (we won our group). That's how it should be. >>>> >>>> Uruguay deserve their place in the last four. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ciao, >>>> Bruce >>>> >>>> drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/ >>> Bruce, >>> >>> THANK YOU! I was beginning to think I was the only one who had seen >>> this! I had actually noticed it when it happened, and have watched >>> it over and over to verify. It is a horrible dive (something Ghana >>> has been developing a reputation for in the World Cup, >> >> BS. >> >> which has taken >>> them, in my list of teams to root for, from up high with the "little >>> guys who deserve a chance" like South Korea or Slovakia, down to >>> "dirty, disgraceful players" like Italy or Portugal). And Bob, since >>> when do you need replay to make video footage worthwhile? >> >> always when the original footage is from too far to see someone >> tripping someone else >> >> Watching it >>> real-time it is pretty obvious, Fucile was a good 2 yards away >> >> lie >> >> AND >>> backing off >> >> blatant lie >> >> when Dominic Adiyiah fell. The free kick should have never >>> been granted, but it was, and Suarez shouldn't have handled the >>> ball, but he did. The difference is, Ghana didn't get penalized for >>> its dive, Uruguay got penalized for its handball, but Ghana just >>> couldn't convert! Anyways, if you go to espn3.com to rewatch it, >>> drag the bar to the 2:59:40 mark of the telecast (about the 119:30 >>> mark of the game) and see for yourself. >> >> and, one more to be added to the pathetic liar/delusional poster >> column. >> >> > Hold on Bob. You can't conclude, based on the limited video evidence, Nobody can conclude anything and especially not that it was a dive since the assistant ref less than 10 yards away called the foul. > that this was not a dive. All you can say is that in real time, and > from that angle, there is no obvious foul. There may have been a > slight shove in the back that was embelished, and the ref may have > seen this and been correct in his call (his angle was completely > different). We don't know. But you can't say for sure that this was > not a dive. Wait a minute. I never said this wasn't a dive. I merely said there was no evidence whatsoever that it was a dive. I must say that I do find it strange that you address these comments to me when Bruce has been posting all over this forum that this was a dive without providing any evidence and despite admitting there was no replay and/or close up images. Sometimes, I really feel like reality is upside down in this newsgroup. > > And what about Appiah being offside? He may be in an offside position at the time the free-kick is taken but there is no images that show it for sure.
From: Alkamista on 6 Jul 2010 13:19
On Jul 6, 10:00 am, "Bob" <B...(a)Bob.com> wrote: > > > and, one more to be added to the pathetic liar/delusional poster column.- What has happened to you, seriously? |