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From: Bob on 26 Jun 2010 11:06
KaiserD2(a)gmail.com wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 07:10:32 -0700 (PDT), Neil Gerace
> <geracenl(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Good goal by Suarez 10'
>
> Uruguay has slacked off a bit too much for my tasste, but their
> forwards are so brilliant that only the ref has denied them two more
> possible goals. Suarez was not offside when he had a clean break, and
> the hand-ball that was not given was just as bad as Van der Wart's
> that was given for Cameroon. Still, they should, as against Mexico,
> get the second goal and put them away.

Ridiculous that he didn't give a pk for that handball; how could anyone deny
it wasn't deliberate. I have a hard time imagining that the ref couldn't
have seen it either.


From: Manx Gunner on 26 Jun 2010 11:11
On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:06:01 -0700, Bob wrote...

> Ridiculous that he didn't give a pk for that handball; how could anyone deny
> it wasn't deliberate. I have a hard time imagining that the ref couldn't
> have seen it either.

Part of the problem is people thinking that it matters whether or not
it's deliberate in all cases. It doesn't.
From: Google Beta User on 26 Jun 2010 11:12
Koreans creating lots of chances in this 2nd half. They're looking
good to score, hope they do and that we have a game.
From: Abubakr on 26 Jun 2010 11:14
On Jun 27, 1:11 am, Manx Gunner <goal(a)4thegunners!com> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:06:01 -0700, Bob wrote...
> > Ridiculous that he didn't give a pk for that handball; how could anyone deny
> > it wasn't deliberate. I have a hard time imagining that the ref couldn't
> > have seen it either.
>
> Part of the problem is people thinking that it matters whether or not
> it's deliberate in all cases.  It doesn't.

It might not but it should.

From: Manx Gunner on 26 Jun 2010 11:16
On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:14:05 -0700 (PDT), Abubakr wrote...

> On Jun 27, 1:11 am, Manx Gunner <goal(a)4thegunners!com> wrote:
> > On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:06:01 -0700, Bob wrote...
> > > Ridiculous that he didn't give a pk for that handball; how could anyone deny
> > > it wasn't deliberate. I have a hard time imagining that the ref couldn't
> > > have seen it either.
> >
> > Part of the problem is people thinking that it matters whether or not
> > it's deliberate in all cases.  It doesn't.
>
> It might not but it should.

No, of course it shouldn't. If your arm is out from your body, whether
you meant it or not, if it denies a goal-scoring chance: penalty.

Ideally, referees should not have to determine intent. Footballers are
far too dishonest and willing to con the referee to have judging their
honesty and sense of fair play as a critical aspect of officiating.
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