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From: Manx Gunner on 23 Jun 2010 14:13 On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:05:59 +0200, anders t wrote... > >Having said that, I'm determined to watch Mahut/Isner to the end of the > >match, and it's looking like it may never end. 39-39 in the 5th set. > > Get a room, you two! I have a room, I'm sitting in it watching this crazy-long tennis match. You can't come in!
From: MH on 24 Jun 2010 20:26 RED DEVIL wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 12:01:18 -0400, Manx Gunner <goal(a)4thegunners!com> > wrote: > >> On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 08:58:00 -0700 (PDT), Mark V. wrote... >> >>>>> You're right, but let's not carry on about this. John Harkes recited a >>>>> victim-complex laundry list of "injustices" going back eight years, as >>>>> if there is some sort of conspiracy. There is not, and every nation >>>>> can point to screw-overs here and there. >>>> I'm not suggesting a conspiracy. I'm just tired of FIFA's tacit >>>> acceptance of bad officiating, and tired of seeing it hurt teams which I >>>> support, whether it be in the World Cup or in the Premier League. >>> Well, here's a high-five from overseas for you! >>> >>> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> :) :) :) :) :) :) Back atcha. > > > Congratulations on a well deserved advancement, despite getting on teh > wrong side of some horrible ref decisions the USA rode it out and got > their just reward. Well let's not forget they caught some breaks as well. Green's howler, terrible goalkeeping (He ducked !) on Donovan's first vs. Slovenia. Plus Dempsey not getting sent off in the first minute of the Slovenia match for an elbow to the head that looked as bad as the one Gourcuff did get sent off for. It is a bit too easy to focus only on the refereeing decisions they didn't get in their favour. On balance, they deserve to go through, though. > RED DEVIL
From: MH on 24 Jun 2010 20:30 billones wrote: > On Jun 23, 10:52 am, "Mark V." <markvande...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> You're right, but let's not carry on about this. John Harkes recited a >> victim-complex laundry list of "injustices" going back eight years, as >> if there is some sort of conspiracy. > > Anyone who claims the US deserved a penalty in '02 vs Germany should > not be paid to talk about football. How different was that from the penalty and red card awarded against Kewell this time? It is the inconsistency that bothers me. I would consider neither a penalty, as they don't seem to conform to FIFA's definition of a deliberate handball. > > -- > Jeremy Billones > jbillones(a)gmail.com
From: Insane Ranter on 24 Jun 2010 21:31 On Jun 24, 8:26 pm, MH <MHnos...(a)ucalgary.ca> wrote: > RED DEVIL wrote: > > On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 12:01:18 -0400, Manx Gunner <goal(a)4thegunners!com> > > wrote: > > >> On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 08:58:00 -0700 (PDT), Mark V. wrote... > > >>>>> You're right, but let's not carry on about this. John Harkes recited a > >>>>> victim-complex laundry list of "injustices" going back eight years, as > >>>>> if there is some sort of conspiracy. There is not, and every nation > >>>>> can point to screw-overs here and there. > >>>> I'm not suggesting a conspiracy. I'm just tired of FIFA's tacit > >>>> acceptance of bad officiating, and tired of seeing it hurt teams which I > >>>> support, whether it be in the World Cup or in the Premier League. > >>> Well, here's a high-five from overseas for you! > > >>> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >> :) :) :) :) :) :) Back atcha. > > > Congratulations on a well deserved advancement, despite getting on teh > > wrong side of some horrible ref decisions the USA rode it out and got > > their just reward. > > Well let's not forget they caught some breaks as well. Green's howler, > terrible goalkeeping (He ducked !) on Donovan's first vs. Slovenia. > Plus Dempsey not getting sent off in the first minute of the Slovenia > match for an elbow to the head that looked as bad as the one Gourcuff > did get sent off for. > It is a bit too easy to focus only on the refereeing decisions they > didn't get in their favour. On balance, they deserve to go through, though. > > > RED DEVIL Cry more.
From: Deeppe on 24 Jun 2010 23:28
On Jun 24, 5:30 pm, MH <MHnos...(a)ucalgary.ca> wrote: > How different was that from the penalty and red card awarded against > Kewell this time? It is the inconsistency that bothers me. I would > consider neither a penalty, as they don't seem to conform to FIFA's > definition of a deliberate handball. > http://socref.net/ Okay, One More Time. Two very different things. Same sort of difference between a late tackle and a studs up one from behind and a dangerous one. They are all "tackles" with different results, from a simple FK, to a YC to a straight RC. Everyone understands this I hope. First off, the PK+RC was for DOGSO, not "handling". Let's get that straight up front. And DOGSO can happen from things other than a handball. A "Hand ball" that results in a YC is not for "handling" but for USB "Unsporting Behavior" okay? The YC against DeMerit was for USB, not "handling". USB in the PA is a RC, simple as that. I thought everyone knew this. A simple handball is a FK (FreeKick). Now let's take this play in particular and dissect it shall we? Q. Where was the player? A. On the goal line Q. What was he doing there? A. Trying to defend the goal. So far, no problem, players do this regularly. In fact we've seen MANY players do so with their hands behind their backs. Why might that be? Q. How was the defender holding his arms? A. Very stiffly (see fists and the balls rebound) away from his body. Q. Why was this player doing that? A. To make the area he was defending larger. Q. Purposely? A. Without a doubt. VERDICT: DOGSO, RC+PK Regards, Dale |