From: Bruce D. Scott on
Jim Goloboy (jim.goloboy(a)gmail.com) wrote:
: Ibisevic never had citizenship and only lived here a couple years, I
: don't think you can say he spent most of his development here. Subotic
: (discovered by USA U-17 coaches in a park) is much worse.

I thought Ibisevic lived in the US from ages 10-17 roughly, no?

: Other guys would be Bakary Soumare, Shalrie Joseph, and Ramon Nunez.
: Espen Baardsen spurned the US back in the 90's to represent Norway.

These I haven't heard of.

: >Like Jermaine Jones in the end he wasn't good enough.

: Surely Jones would have been in the squad if he'd been healthy this
: year?

I don't think he is nearly as good as some people seem to think. A less
than mediocre player, he had one passably good season on a good team
recently.

: As you noted in the other post, basketball is much worse. Becky Hammon
: playing for Russia isn't even particularly egregious, since she at
: least played there. AFAIK teams are allowed to use one naturalized
: player, with absolutely no connection to the country required.
: Philippines are looking for a good big man, but sadly Bulgaria made a
: better offer:
: http://www.rnhalawi.com/2010/04/back-to-square-one-in-smart-gilas-hunt.html

Wow, they're very open about the poaching in that case... almost as bad
as Qatar for athletics.

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ciao,
Bruce

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From: Bruce D. Scott on
Jim Goloboy (jim.goloboy(a)gmail.com) wrote:
: On May 14, 11:24=A0am, b...(a)ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce D. Scott) wrote:
: > So that's why the USSF
: > hired her ... =A0to make him eligible to go for citizenship. =A0IIRC he g=
: ot
: > it, got into the team, one or three caps, and then that was it. =A0He was
: > a typical 3rd-div European footballer.

: I think you're mixing up a couple players from that era. Regis is the
: one with the travel agent wife, but he got 27 caps and was a first-
: division player at several French clubs and Karlsruhe. David Wagner
: and Michael Mason were the lower-division guys from Germany who only
: got a few caps.

What div were Karlsruhe in when he played there? And the 27 caps were
in the run-up to a WC where he played no part, and he played no part
thereafter.

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ciao,
Bruce

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From: Bruce D. Scott on
Bob (Bob(a)Bob.com) wrote:

: Right, I was thinking what does all of this has to do with football.

It has everything to do with it, including the topic of the original
post in the thread.

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ciao,
Bruce

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From: Bruce D. Scott on
Jim Goloboy (jim.goloboy(a)gmail.com) wrote:

[Subotic]
: Surely that is much worse than Rossi or Ibisevic who never played for
: any US teams and never had any resources invested in them by the USSF.

Ibisevic has said in interviews here (during his breakout season in
Hoffenheim) that he would have been interested in playing for the US but
no one called upon him (perhaps never discovered him). Bosnia knew
about him all the time however.

--
ciao,
Bruce

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From: Jim Goloboy on
On May 16, 11:13 am, b...(a)ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce D. Scott) wrote:
> Jim Goloboy (jim.golo...(a)gmail.com) wrote:
>
> : On May 14, 11:24=A0am, b...(a)ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce D. Scott) wrote:
> : > So that's why the USSF
> : > hired her ... =A0to make him eligible to go for citizenship. =A0IIRC he g=
> : ot
> : > it, got into the team, one or three caps, and then that was it. =A0He was
> : > a typical 3rd-div European footballer.
>
> : I think you're mixing up a couple players from that era. Regis is the
> : one with the travel agent wife, but he got 27 caps and was a first-
> : division player at several French clubs and Karlsruhe. David Wagner
> : and Michael Mason were the lower-division guys from Germany who only
> : got a few caps.
>
> What div were Karlsruhe in when he played there?  

He played there in 97/98--the year he was recruited by the US--they
were in the first division and Regis started 30 matches:
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/vereine/1631/vereinsspieler_david-regis.html

That was the only season he played in Germany but he also had about
200 appearances in the French first division:
http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/FootballFicheJoueur2899.html

> And the 27 caps were
> in the run-up to a WC where he played no part, and he played no part
> thereafter.

He was a starter in the 1998 WC, and a regular until 2002 when he
played poorly in the pre-WC friendlies and lost his spot to Hejduk. He
still went to Korea but did not make an appearance.

Certainly not "one or three caps, and then that was it".