Time for FIFA to do something about this.
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From: Abubakr on 14 May 2010 03:25 On May 14, 5:12 pm, "The Scrutineer" <vla...(a)bigpond.com> wrote: > > No I don't like it because I don't like Camorenesi playing for Italy. > > I believe international football is representative football, when a NT > > is picked what is being communicated is that these players are the > > best that this country or football association has been able to > > produce, not this is mostly the best we are able to produce plus one > > or two from that big country in south america (or where ever else). > > > If the Maltese guy grew up in Italy and became a professional there, > > he represents Italian football, not Maltese football. If he isn't good > > enough to make it to the NT it's bad luck indeed. And it would also > > stop traitors like Simunic from jumping ship. > > Though why would you deny him the chance to represent his heritage? I wouldn't if he chose to do it upon becoming a professional, only when suddenly 5 years down the line he becomes Maltese because Lippi keeps ignoring him.
From: The Scrutineer on 14 May 2010 04:18 "Abubakr" <deltarasha(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:54c90263-5843-4769-b573-a021f200226c(a)34g2000prs.googlegroups.com... > On May 14, 5:12 pm, "The Scrutineer" <vla...(a)bigpond.com> wrote: >> > No I don't like it because I don't like Camorenesi playing for Italy. >> > I believe international football is representative football, when a NT >> > is picked what is being communicated is that these players are the >> > best that this country or football association has been able to >> > produce, not this is mostly the best we are able to produce plus one >> > or two from that big country in south america (or where ever else). >> >> > If the Maltese guy grew up in Italy and became a professional there, >> > he represents Italian football, not Maltese football. If he isn't good >> > enough to make it to the NT it's bad luck indeed. And it would also >> > stop traitors like Simunic from jumping ship. >> >> Though why would you deny him the chance to represent his heritage? > > I wouldn't if he chose to do it upon becoming a professional, only > when suddenly 5 years down the line he becomes Maltese because Lippi > keeps ignoring him. Not possible to choose between your mother or father, well for me anyways, have them both in your contract, if both countries want you then you choose one way or the other, but if none choose you until your 31, then it should remain an open liable option in my view, though your view is not wrong, just needs a little tweak
From: Mark on 14 May 2010 05:42 On May 14, 9:18 am, "The Scrutineer" <vla...(a)bigpond.com> wrote: > "Abubakr" <deltara...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:54c90263-5843-4769-b573-a021f200226c(a)34g2000prs.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On May 14, 5:12 pm, "The Scrutineer" <vla...(a)bigpond.com> wrote: > >> > No I don't like it because I don't like Camorenesi playing for Italy.. > >> > I believe international football is representative football, when a NT > >> > is picked what is being communicated is that these players are the > >> > best that this country or football association has been able to > >> > produce, not this is mostly the best we are able to produce plus one > >> > or two from that big country in south america (or where ever else). > > >> > If the Maltese guy grew up in Italy and became a professional there, > >> > he represents Italian football, not Maltese football. If he isn't good > >> > enough to make it to the NT it's bad luck indeed. And it would also > >> > stop traitors like Simunic from jumping ship. > > >> Though why would you deny him the chance to represent his heritage? > > > I wouldn't if he chose to do it upon becoming a professional, only > > when suddenly 5 years down the line he becomes Maltese because Lippi > > keeps ignoring him. > > Not possible to choose between your mother or father, well for me anyways, > have them both in your contract, if both countries want you then you choose > one way or the other, but if none choose you until your 31, then it should > remain an open liable option in my view, though your view is not wrong, just > needs a little tweak I think I agree. Regarding national teams, I don't see a problem with a team being made up of 11 players of the same nationality regardless of whether they were actually born in that country or just had 1 of their parents from there but have never lived there themselves. The problem is with these players that get dual nationality to get round the limits on non-EU players at clubs. Once a player has made his mind up that he's Brazilian, he shouldn't be allowed to choose to be regarded as Italian just so that his club can get another Brazilian player.
From: Bob on 14 May 2010 07:58 Karamako wrote: > Abubakr wrote: >> Regulations need to come in to stop established professionals from >> changing nationalities. One way to do this would be to have any >> player registering a professional contract nominate his/her >> nationality and that nationality stays with the player for life and >> cannot be changed. This still allows juniors to choose between >> countries that they would like to represent in international >> football but it stops third rate (and at time even first and second >> rate) Brazilians and the odd Argentine from playing for the likes of >> Croatia, Portugal, Germany, Italy etc... > > They should do as in rugby, a player can play for " > the country in which: > > (a) he was born; or > (b) one parent or grandparent was born; or > (c) he has completed thirty six consecutive months of Residence > immediately preceding the time of playing." > > and get rid of this question of nationality. A football team doesn't > "represent" a nationality. I feel that you are right on some level; yet, athletes are also the product of the national sport culture in which they were formed. If sport is going to be used by nations to get prestige browny points for producing high level athletes and athletes get loads of cash in return for representing their sport culture and becoming national heroes, it seems that athletes should only be able to represent the sport culture through which they became high-level athletes (say where they trained prior to reaching 16 yo). It's obviously not very practical because it'd ignore blood ties but it'd be the most consequential IMO.
From: Bob on 14 May 2010 08:09
Abubakr wrote: > Regulations need to come in to stop established professionals from > changing nationalities. One way to do this would be to have any player > registering a professional contract nominate his/her nationality and > that nationality stays with the player for life and cannot be changed. > This still allows juniors to choose between countries that they would > like to represent in international football but it stops third rate > (and at time even first and second rate) Brazilians and the odd > Argentine from playing for the likes of Croatia, Portugal, Germany, > Italy etc... does any team have multiple cases of people jumping country to play at the national level or is it just the odd example? |